From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 1 01:48:16 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13271 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:36:37 GMT Message-ID: <01fd01bf0bad$b3411d60$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Orderdesk (www.uClinux.com)" To: References: <37F3F29B.2F26734B@tasmail.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucfarmer board details? Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:38:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Dave Bowerman asks: > could someone please tell me where I can obtain some details on the > ucfarmer board? Sorry to say that Rick Farmer's board is not available and has been removed from the https://www.uClinux.com/orderdesk website. Sorry for the inconvenience. -- Michael Durrant RT-CONTROL Inc. mdurrant@rt-control.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 1 02:05:22 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14953 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:56:12 GMT Message-ID: <021e01bf0bb0$7412c500$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <37F37B42.195D1BFA@RIP.CZ> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] package weight Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:58:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Your request would have been better sent to orderdesk@uclinux.com Normally when you place an order we send you an email showing the total cost including shipping and handling costs. I will ask Paula to figure out what your charge would be for Shipping and handling to CZ. -- Michael Durrant RT-CONTROL Inc. mdurrant@rt-control.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Milan Riha To: Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 11:01 AM Subject: [uCsimm] package weight > Hi, > > I'm considering in order of the ucsimm development kit (CDROM, one or > two ucsimms and the gardening board). > I want to check the FedEx shipment expenses. Could you tell me the > aproximate weight of this package? > > Milan Riha > Webstep > Czech Rep. > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 1 06:11:16 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03986 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:00:36 GMT Message-ID: <37F45061.BBD4542@tasmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 16:10:41 +1000 From: Dave Bowerman Organization: Telstra Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucfarmer board details? References: <37F3F29B.2F26734B@tasmail.com> <01fd01bf0bad$b3411d60$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com "Orderdesk (www.uClinux.com)" wrote: > Dave Bowerman asks: > > > could someone please tell me where I can obtain some details on the > > ucfarmer board? > > Sorry to say that Rick Farmer's board is not available and has been > removed from the https://www.uClinux.com/orderdesk website. > Sorry for the inconvenience. > > -- > Michael Durrant > RT-CONTROL Inc. > mdurrant@rt-control.com > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ OK thanks, How about the 'gardner' board? any details anywhere? Thanks Dave Bowerman This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 1 07:25:20 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10460 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:13:46 GMT From: Julian Cassin To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:19:13 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990930120415.00d39560@mail1.dcomm.net> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Subject: [uCsimm] Re: useful application? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hello Terry I am interested in the uCsimm if all the interfacing documentation is open as a method of producing a CPU accelerator, Ethernet, TCP/IP stack for 8bit computers, especially Amstrad CPC. Basically I would need to assess what's required to make the CPC and uCsimm communicate (prefer share same bus) or have uCsimm use DMA to CPC RAM. Regards Julian This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 1 07:25:51 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10565 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:14:53 GMT From: Julian Cassin To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:20:24 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37F3F29B.2F26734B@tasmail.com> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Subject: [uCsimm] Re: ucfarmer board details? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hello Dave I am also after this info, but an email to the mailing list before (a month ago) proved useless. Julian On 01-Oct-99, Dave Bowerman wrote: > Hello, > > could someone please tell me where I can obtain some details on the > ucfarmer board? > > specs? what does it provide? etc etc > > I've tried www.uclinux.com & .org but they never seem to be updated.... > > > thanks > > Dave Bowerman. > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 1 14:50:22 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17219 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:37:03 GMT From: Geoffrey Wossum Message-Id: <199910011437.JAA09411@omega.uta.edu> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Quantity available To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:37:30 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990930131536.00cce180@mail1.dcomm.net> from "Terry Ewing" at Sep 30, 99 01:15:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > just out of curiosity, what's the project? It's a robot development kit, for producing prototypes for proof of concept, or "just plain fun." Imagine Lego Mindstorms on steroids. It's our senior project for our bachelor's degree. The webpage for it is at http://rover1.uta.edu/~ako Yes, it's named after the anime "Project A-ko". --- Geoffrey Wossum gwossum@acm.org This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 1 15:48:38 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22597 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:36:39 GMT Message-ID: From: "Hui, Kai" To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: [uCsimm] webserver for ucsimm Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:39:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I'm new to the list and hope this question hasn't been asked before... Is there a web server available for the ucsimm? Has anyone ported the open source GoAhead Web server (www.goahead.com) to the uclinux? This web server only has a footprint of 60k. What I'm looking to do is take data from the Dallas Semiconductor 1 wire weather station and use the ucsimm to make it available on the Internet. ____________________________________ Kai Hui Manager, IT Projects Business Information Services Marketing & Customer Services - BC Hydro 6911 Southpoint Drive Burnaby, BC Canada V3N 4X8 phone: (604)528-8147 email: kai.hui@bchydro.bc.ca ____________________________________ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 1 17:51:05 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31811 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:19:57 GMT Message-ID: <37F4FBA3.69FCAD03@merlotcom.com> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 13:21:23 -0500 From: Tom Barraza Organization: Merlot Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ucsimm@geekcreek.net" Subject: [uCsimm] SIMM socket part number? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------22CD80DBCFB14807AF88AB4B" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------22CD80DBCFB14807AF88AB4B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, does anyone have the part number (Digikey, AMP, etc.) for the 30 contact SIMM socket that I can plug the uCsimm into? There appear to be right-keyed, left-keyed, vertical, horizontal, etc. types of these 30-pin SIMM sockets. (I don't want to order the wrong ones!) I'm planning to do some hardware hacking with the uCsimm as soon as one is shipped to me (I already ordered one), but to make use of it, I obviously need to have some sort of prototyping board with the correct socket, and I'm about to order a few items from Digikey, so I might as well get a few of these sockets too! BTW, what's the current status on getting these units shipped? Just curious. Thanks in advance, Tom Barraza --------------22CD80DBCFB14807AF88AB4B Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="tbarraza.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Tom Barraza Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="tbarraza.vcf" begin:vcard n:Barraza;Thomas tel;fax:(203) 730-1797 tel;work:(203) 730-1791 x310 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.merlotcom.com org:Merlot Communications version:2.1 email;internet:tbarraza@merlotcom.com title:Senior ASIC Design Engineer adr;quoted-printable:;;4 Berkshire Blvd.=0D=0A;Bethel, CT 06801 USA;;; x-mozilla-cpt:;12000 fn:Thomas F. Barraza end:vcard --------------22CD80DBCFB14807AF88AB4B-- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 1 19:41:33 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10492 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:27:51 GMT Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:27:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Durrant / ve3pnx To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Quantity available In-Reply-To: <199910011437.JAA09411@omega.uta.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > It's a robot development kit, for producing prototypes for proof of > concept, or "just plain fun." Imagine Lego Mindstorms on steroids. It's > our senior project for our bachelor's degree. > > The webpage for it is at http://rover1.uta.edu/~ako > Yes, it's named after the anime "Project A-ko". We have another University also working on a robotics application using our module as well. Maybe the two groups could do a brain share on their efforts. I will pass your email address on to the other group so that you can contact them directly. Like your self it is for a undergrad thesis. -- Michael Durrant This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 1 19:49:29 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11198 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:35:37 GMT Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:35:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Durrant / ve3pnx To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: Re: [uCsimm] webserver for ucsimm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > I'm new to the list and hope this question hasn't been asked before... Is > there a web server available for the ucsimm? Has anyone ported the open > source GoAhead Web server (www.goahead.com) to the uclinux? This web server > only has a footprint of 60k. What I'm looking to do is take data from the > Dallas Semiconductor 1 wire weather station and use the ucsimm to make it > available on the Internet. Great application. The uClinux CD has a httpd (web server) that was custom designed for uClinux. Every module will have a sample web server pre installed. Its footprint is every small as well. -- Michael Durrant This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 1 20:14:32 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13497 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:01:17 GMT From: ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov Message-ID: <19991001200531.9474.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] webserver for ucsimm To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:05:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Hui, Kai" at Oct 1, 99 08:39:38 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Kai et al. - > I'm new to the list and hope this question hasn't been asked before... Is > there a web server available for the ucsimm? Has anyone ported the open > source GoAhead Web server (www.goahead.com) to the uclinux? This web server > only has a footprint of 60k. What I'm looking to do is take data from the > Dallas Semiconductor 1 wire weather station and use the ucsimm to make it > available on the Internet. You can also consider Boa, http://www.boa.org/ It has a similar footprint, is GPL'd, and works on any *nix system with a working mmap(2). I trust uCLinux counts :-) . I'll gladly help with any problems that arise. - Larry Doolittle using my hat This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 1 20:34:26 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15323 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:21:52 GMT From: Donald Jeff Dionne Message-Id: <199910011956.TAA17792@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] SIMM socket part number? To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:56:14 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tbarraza@merlotcom.com In-Reply-To: <37F4FBA3.69FCAD03@merlotcom.com> from "Tom Barraza" at Oct 1, 99 01:21:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Hi, Hi :-) > > does anyone have the part number (Digikey, AMP, etc.) for the 30 > contact SIMM socket that I can plug the uCsimm into? There appear Last time i checked, Digikey did not have the correct socket. > to be right-keyed, left-keyed, vertical, horizontal, etc. types > of these 30-pin SIMM sockets. > (I don't want to order the wrong ones!) It's the common one (that is, the one used for commonly available 30 pin memory modules). The Amp part number for a single (as opposed to a socket with 2 SIMM slots), vertical, metal latches and tin plating is 822056-2 Try www.em.avnet.com They have stock, but the buy increment seems to be 45pcs. Try www.sterlink.com They also have stock, but there seems to be no online order page. > > I'm planning to do some hardware hacking with the uCsimm as soon > as one is shipped to me (I already ordered one), but to make > use of it, I obviously need to have some sort of prototyping > board with the correct socket, and I'm about to order a few > items from Digikey, so I might as well get a few of these > sockets too! > > BTW, what's the current status on getting these units shipped? > Just curious. > > Thanks in advance, > Tom Barraza > --------------22CD80DBCFB14807AF88AB4B > Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; > name="tbarraza.vcf" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Description: Card for Tom Barraza > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="tbarraza.vcf" > > begin:vcard > n:Barraza;Thomas > tel;fax:(203) 730-1797 > tel;work:(203) 730-1791 x310 > x-mozilla-html:FALSE > url:www.merlotcom.com > org:Merlot Communications > version:2.1 > email;internet:tbarraza@merlotcom.com > title:Senior ASIC Design Engineer > adr;quoted-printable:;;4 Berkshire Blvd.=0D=0A;Bethel, CT 06801 USA;;; > x-mozilla-cpt:;12000 > fn:Thomas F. Barraza > end:vcard > > --------------22CD80DBCFB14807AF88AB4B-- > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > -- Cheers, Jeff / VE3DJF Jeff@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. ... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 1 21:34:59 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20688 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 21:23:23 GMT From: Donald Jeff Dionne Message-Id: <199910012057.UAA17868@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] webserver for ucsimm To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:57:55 +0000 (GMT) Cc: ldoolitt@boa.org In-Reply-To: <19991001200531.9474.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> from "ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov" at Oct 1, 99 01:05:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > You can also consider Boa, http://www.boa.org/ > It has a similar footprint, is GPL'd, and works on any *nix system > with a working mmap(2). I trust uCLinux counts :-) . Seems to work just fine, and is faster then the tiny httpd we include with uClinux. Here's a patch. Yes, something better needs doing for realloc. ---------------------chop diff -urN boa-0.92.orig/src/Makefile boa-0.92/src/Makefile --- boa-0.92.orig/src/Makefile Sun Feb 23 22:01:10 1997 +++ boa-0.92/src/Makefile Fri Oct 1 17:19:39 1999 @@ -18,7 +18,7 @@ YACC = bison -y LEX = flex -CC = gcc +CC = m68k-pic-coff-gcc all: boa @@ -39,9 +39,10 @@ # boa dependencies boa: lex.yy.o y.tab.o alias.o boa.o cgi.o config.o get.o hash.o log.o \ -queue.o read.o request.o response.o signals.o util.o +queue.o read.o request.o response.o signals.o util.o realloc.o ${CC} -o boa lex.yy.o y.tab.o alias.o boa.o cgi.o config.o get.o \ -hash.o log.o queue.o read.o request.o response.o signals.o util.o ${BOA_LIBS} +hash.o log.o queue.o read.o request.o response.o signals.o util.o \ +realloc.o ${BOA_LIBS} # boa at large diff -urN boa-0.92.orig/src/boa.c boa-0.92/src/boa.c --- boa-0.92.orig/src/boa.c Sun Dec 13 11:32:47 1998 +++ boa-0.92/src/boa.c Fri Oct 1 17:18:32 1999 @@ -162,7 +162,7 @@ /* give away our privs if we can */ - if(getuid() == 0) { + if(0 /* FIXME */ && getuid() == 0) { struct passwd *passwdbuf; passwdbuf = getpwuid(server_uid); if(passwdbuf == NULL) diff -urN boa-0.92.orig/src/cgi.c boa-0.92/src/cgi.c --- boa-0.92.orig/src/cgi.c Fri Dec 20 17:06:21 1996 +++ boa-0.92/src/cgi.c Fri Oct 1 17:18:32 1999 @@ -262,7 +262,7 @@ if(req->is_cgi != NPH) /* have to precede fork */ send_r_request_ok(req); - if((child_pid = fork()) == -1) { + if((child_pid = vfork()) == -1) { req->response_status = R_ERROR; log_error_time(); perror("fork"); diff -urN boa-0.92.orig/src/realloc.c boa-0.92/src/realloc.c --- boa-0.92.orig/src/realloc.c Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969 +++ boa-0.92/src/realloc.c Fri Oct 1 17:18:32 1999 @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +char * +tmpnam(char *s) +{ + char *ret; + static char buf[64]; + static int count; + + ret = s ? s : buf; + + sprintf(ret,"/var/boa%d",count++); + return ret; +} + +abort() +{ + exit(1); +} + +int +strftime(char *s, int max, const char *format, void *tm) +{ + *s = 0; + return 0; +} + + +void * +realloc(void *p, int t) +{ + void *ret; + + ret = malloc(t); + if (ret) { + memcpy(ret,p,t); + free(p); + } + return ret; +} ---------------------chop > > I'll gladly help with any problems that arise. > > - Larry Doolittle using my hat > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > -- Cheers, Jeff / VE3DJF Jeff@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. ... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 1 23:13:04 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29435 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:01:40 GMT From: stirra@wwc.edu Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910012303.QAA05932@lassen.wwc> To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] SIMM socket part number? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Amp is pretty good about samples (connect.amp.com), or try Allied (www.allied.avnet.com). -- Ralph =================================================================== | Ralph Stirling | Project Engineer | | stirra@wwc.edu | Walla Walla College | | http://homepages.wwc.edu/staff/stirra | School of Engineering | | 509/527-2071 | 204 S.College Ave | | FAX: 509/527-2253 | College Place, WA 99324| =================================================================== This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sat Oct 2 00:50:26 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05493 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 00:40:33 GMT From: Geoffrey Wossum Message-Id: <199910020041.TAA08700@omega.uta.edu> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] SIMM socket part number? To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:41:58 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199910011956.TAA17792@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> from "Donald Jeff Dionne" at Oct 1, 99 07:56:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > It's the common one (that is, the one used for commonly available 30 pin > memory modules). The Amp part number for a single (as opposed to a socket > with 2 SIMM slots), vertical, metal latches and tin plating is > > 822056-2 > > Try www.em.avnet.com They have stock, but the buy increment seems to be > 45pcs. > Try www.sterlink.com They also have stock, but there seems to be no > online order page. Mouser also has that part. Mouser part # 571-8220562. Mouser has online ordering, and no minimum order or service charges. http://www.mouser.com --- Geoffrey Wossum gwossum@acm.org This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sat Oct 2 01:16:42 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07850 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:07:27 GMT From: tyco3-postmaster@geis.com Message-Id: <199910020108.BAA20874@rockdmz1.geis.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 99 00:54:00 GMT To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [uCsimm] webserver for ucsimm Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com GE Item Number: 64874 Original Msg Id: 8385 tyco3-postmaster response to your message Subject: Re: [uCsimm] webserver for ucsimm System: QUIK-COMM Date: Sat 2-Oct-99 0:54 Status: 7 Message picked up by receiving system and not delivered to any recipients because of various exception conditions. 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This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sat Oct 2 19:11:58 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05253 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:02:15 GMT Message-Id: From: root@nthstone.mi.org (RootBranchLeafandStem) Subject: [uCsimm] ucgardener clarification To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:03:10 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <000501bf0b15$30da60e0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> from "Michael Durrant" at Sep 30, 1999 03:26:59 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0pre8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com the order page seems to indicate that the ucgardener kit does not include a wall transformer ("4.5V 500ma neg pin centre"). does anyone have a catalog part number for that? -- tony audas - taudas@nthstone.mi.org - System Nth Stone from The Sun from the stars we came, and to the stars we shall return This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sat Oct 2 19:11:58 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05255 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:02:18 GMT Message-Id: From: root@nthstone.mi.org (RootBranchLeafandStem) Subject: Re: [uCsimm] SIMM socket part number? To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Cc: ucsimm@geekcreek.net (ucsimm@geekcreek.net) In-Reply-To: <37F4FBA3.69FCAD03@merlotcom.com> from "Tom Barraza" at Oct 01, 1999 01:21:23 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0pre8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > I'm planning to do some hardware hacking with the uCsimm as soon > as one is shipped to me (I already ordered one), but to make > use of it, I obviously need to have some sort of prototyping > board with the correct socket, and I'm about to order a few why don't you use the ucgardener prototyping board? (on the same webpage as you ordered the ucsimm). -- tony audas - taudas@nthstone.mi.org - System Nth Stone from The Sun Though a program be but three lines long, someday it will have to be maintained. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sat Oct 2 19:12:38 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05264 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:02:19 GMT Message-Id: From: root@nthstone.mi.org (RootBranchLeafandStem) Subject: Re: [uCsimm] SIMM socket part number? To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Cc: ucsimm@geekcreek.net (ucsimm@geekcreek.net) In-Reply-To: <37F4FBA3.69FCAD03@merlotcom.com> from "Tom Barraza" at Oct 01, 1999 01:21:23 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0pre8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > I'm planning to do some hardware hacking with the uCsimm as soon > as one is shipped to me (I already ordered one), but to make > use of it, I obviously need to have some sort of prototyping > board with the correct socket, and I'm about to order a few why don't you use the ucgardener prototyping board? (on the same webpage as you ordered the ucsimm). -- tony audas - taudas@nthstone.mi.org - System Nth Stone from The Sun Though a program be but three lines long, someday it will have to be maintained. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sat Oct 2 21:13:21 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16149 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:01:58 GMT Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991002140400.00995a80@mail.deepwell.com> X-Sender: terrye@mail.deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 14:07:49 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com From: Terry Ewing Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucgardener clarification In-Reply-To: References: <000501bf0b15$30da60e0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com You'd be best to buy one surplus. Any surplus electro-junk store will have piles of wall transformers usually costing between 50 cents to $10. If you order something like that from digikey or somewhere it will cost you $10 to $40. This is all just my approach to projects though. With cheap surplus stuff I can blow up some stuff here and there and not feel too bad. At 03:03 PM 10/2/99 -0400, you wrote: >the order page seems to indicate that the ucgardener kit does not include >a wall transformer ("4.5V 500ma neg pin centre"). does anyone have a >catalog part number for that? >-- >tony audas - taudas@nthstone.mi.org - System Nth Stone from The Sun > from the stars we came, and to the stars we shall return >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server >http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sat Oct 2 22:46:46 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24675 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:37:47 GMT From: Geoffrey Wossum Message-Id: <199910022239.RAA24092@omega.uta.edu> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucgardener clarification To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:39:10 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "RootBranchLeafandStem" at Oct 2, 99 03:03:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > the order page seems to indicate that the ucgardener kit does not include > a wall transformer ("4.5V 500ma neg pin centre"). does anyone have a > catalog part number for that? Just go to Fry's or Radio Shack. Heck, I just looaked at the transformer to a busted portable CD player I threw away, and it'll work. Not sure if it's the right connector on the end, but soldering a new one on is nothing. The best thing to do is to go to your local Radio Shack and look in their clearance for old answering machine transformers. The ones near my house always have a bunch of those in varying voltage and current levels for a dollar a piece. Find one with the right voltage/current, and solder a new connector on if needed. --- Geoffrey Wossum gwossum@acm.org This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sun Oct 3 00:10:10 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31874 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:58:40 GMT Message-ID: <37F69C93.A24DBC4@mytoys.com> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:00:20 -0400 From: Tom Walsh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucgardener clarification References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >From the experience that I have had with some of the 3.3volt switcher supplies, I would expect that a trip down to Radio Shack and picking up a 5 volt DC supply of sufficient amperage would be all that would be needed. Depending on the device used on the board to regulate the 3 volt supply, I probably could get away with a higher voltage, depending on whether the input voltage simply feeds the regulator or is used elsewhere on the motherboard? Tom RootBranchLeafandStem wrote: > the order page seems to indicate that the ucgardener kit does not include > a wall transformer ("4.5V 500ma neg pin centre"). does anyone have a > catalog part number for that? > -- > tony audas - taudas@nthstone.mi.org - System Nth Stone from The Sun > from the stars we came, and to the stars we shall return > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sun Oct 3 00:17:22 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32621 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 00:07:04 GMT Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991002170842.00998190@mail.deepwell.com> X-Sender: terrye@mail.deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 17:13:04 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com From: Terry Ewing Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucgardener clarification In-Reply-To: <199910022239.RAA24092@omega.uta.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I'm sure I'm opening up a can o worms here but... If the unit has a voltage regulator (7805 or 7812) you can get away with having a transformer with the voltage a little higher. In fact, non-regulated transformers (most are non-regulated) are nowhere near the voltage they claim to be. It's not uncommon to get a 9v transformer that tests at 11v. Realize though that you're causing the voltage regulator to give off more heat so it's always best to get as close as possible. I'm not MSEE so if someone else has a correction I'd like to hear it. -Terry At 05:39 PM 10/2/99 -0500, you wrote: > > the order page seems to indicate that the ucgardener kit does not include > > a wall transformer ("4.5V 500ma neg pin centre"). does anyone have a > > catalog part number for that? > >Just go to Fry's or Radio Shack. Heck, I just looaked at the >transformer to a busted portable CD player I threw away, and it'll work. >Not sure if it's the right connector on the end, but soldering a new one >on is nothing. > >The best thing to do is to go to your local Radio Shack and look in their >clearance for old answering machine transformers. The ones near my house >always have a bunch of those in varying voltage and current levels for >a dollar a piece. Find one with the right voltage/current, and solder a >new connector on if needed. > >--- >Geoffrey Wossum >gwossum@acm.org > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server >http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sun Oct 3 07:31:34 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05553 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 07:21:23 GMT Message-Id: <199910030721.HAA05541@ampr.rt-control.com> From: "Alan Ward" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] ucgardener clarification Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 09:26:44 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com A transformer that claims say 9V will usually give you just that -- if nothing is connected to it. But when you start sucking current off it, the voltage goes down. The higher the intensity, the lower the voltage. So I guess your 11V transformer (at no load) was rated at 9V for a given resistive load. If your application has high impedance at its entry (like many logic ICs -- but NOT processors), you can count on having a voltage close to rating. More bad news: (a) transformer amperage/voltage curves vary quite a lot; (b) IC impedance are NOT linear; (c) Processors and memory need quite a lot of power on reset/boot, say 175% of normal use. If your transformer can't follow, your mC doesn't boot. The bottom line is you need to experiment. Alan Ward award@mypic.ad ---------- > De: Terry Ewing > A: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Asunto: Re: [uCsimm] ucgardener clarification > Fecha: diumenge, 3 / octubre / 1999 02:13 > > I'm sure I'm opening up a can o worms here but... > > If the unit has a voltage regulator (7805 or 7812) you can get away with > having a transformer with the voltage a little higher. In fact, > non-regulated transformers (most are non-regulated) are nowhere near the > voltage they claim to be. It's not uncommon to get a 9v transformer that > tests at 11v. Realize though that you're causing the voltage regulator to > give off more heat so it's always best to get as close as possible. > > I'm not MSEE so if someone else has a correction I'd like to hear it. > > -Terry This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sun Oct 3 15:25:30 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14793 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:14:52 GMT Message-ID: <37F72DA4.909E0CD6@ecenet.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 10:19:16 +0000 From: Curt Wuollet Organization: Wide Open Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucgardener clarification References: <199910030721.HAA05541@ampr.rt-control.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi, all Without better information on the board you're powering, it can get expensive to experiment. I would lean towards a regulated wall wort or better yet, there are many surplus 5 volt supplies on the market that won't fail suddenly. If the specs say 4.5 volts in, I wouldn't vary too much from that without carnal knowlege of the board. Many 5 volt switchers have a small amount of adjustment capability that should get you close. In any case I would check that the voltage at no load isn't a lot higher. I would expect on-board regulation to handle battery type variations, say +10% -15%. The reason I worry is that there may be unregulated loads and the 3 volt processes have low breakdown voltages. Also there is an extreme variation in current from sleep to max workload. These are low power processors and will load and unload the supply depending on activity. For a bench setup, I would check out the various surplus houses like MECI and Jameco, for a small regulated supply. That way you know your power is good. For deployment, whatever your price point allows. A majority of problems with embedded products are power problems due, quite often, to using any old thing that's close. If 10 bucks will get you a wall wart and plug, I think 20 for a regulated specified supply with some line filtering and current limiting is a really good investment for development. At $175.00 a blown simm would ruin your whole day.:^) Curt Wuollet, Linux Systems Engineer and old electronics guy. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sun Oct 3 19:48:52 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05531 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:38:42 GMT Message-ID: <37F7B120.3EE5E78C@mytoys.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 15:40:16 -0400 From: Tom Walsh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucgardener clarification References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com According to the Hardware Project Page at uclinux.org, the SIMM uses 3.3 volts, now I do not see where the DC supply (wall wart) is a critical issue, just make sure the polarity is correct, the supply is within the operational limits of the regulator input voltage range and it supplies sufficient current. I have yet to see a switching regulator that needs tightly controlled input voltage! As for the 78xx family of regulators, these devices are useless at providing the tight regulation needed for the sub 5 volt devices, don't think so? Try finding a 7803 regulator. :^) I don't believe that the wall wart is an issue. I did see the schematics for the Gardner Board and as I recall all voltages were regulated. Tom RootBranchLeafandStem wrote: > the order page seems to indicate that the ucgardener kit does not include > a wall transformer ("4.5V 500ma neg pin centre"). does anyone have a > catalog part number for that? > -- > tony audas - taudas@nthstone.mi.org - System Nth Stone from The Sun > from the stars we came, and to the stars we shall return > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sun Oct 3 22:14:27 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18627 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:05:35 GMT Message-Id: <199910032206.SAA29163@Hydro.CAM.ORG> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucgardener clarification Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:07:17 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer2.0.3, January 7, 1998 From: James Dessart To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I have an old power supply lying around that says it only does 300mA. Would it be too weak for the uCgardener board? It's got switchable voltages as well, and a variety of plugs on it, including one for devices using 9volt batteries. And the polarity is switchable. Nifty little thing I got once for a portable casette player. however, it only puts out 300mA. Is that enough? If not, would anyone be interested in it? James This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 00:31:22 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30774 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:22:18 GMT Message-ID: <37F7ADFE.DF36FDC3@ecenet.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 19:26:54 +0000 From: Curt Wuollet Organization: Wide Open Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucgardener clarification References: <37F7B120.3EE5E78C@mytoys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Tom Walsh wrote: > > According to the Hardware Project Page at uclinux.org, the SIMM uses 3.3 volts, now > I do not see where the DC supply (wall wart) is a critical issue, just make sure the > polarity is correct, the supply is within the operational limits of the regulator > input voltage range and it supplies sufficient current. > > I have yet to see a switching regulator that needs tightly controlled input voltage! > > As for the 78xx family of regulators, these devices are useless at providing the > tight regulation needed for the sub 5 volt devices, don't think so? Try finding a > 7803 regulator. :^) > > I don't believe that the wall wart is an issue. I did see the schematics for the > Gardner Board and as I recall all voltages were regulated. > > Tom > > RootBranchLeafandStem wrote: > > > the order page seems to indicate that the ucgardener kit does not include > > a wall transformer ("4.5V 500ma neg pin centre"). does anyone have a > > catalog part number for that? > > -- > > tony audas - taudas@nthstone.mi.org - System Nth Stone from The Sun > > from the stars we came, and to the stars we shall return > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ Hi Tom and all Yeah, If you've seen the schematic and everything is downstream from the regulator. it shouldn't be too picky. It just sounded like folks were guessing and that's bad with electronics. Of course, someone could make more info available. (hint) By the way, my application is to redesign a pc based test system I did with the uCsimm and some data acquisition chips. It'll be much smaller and somewhat cheaper. My big concern is if these units will continue to be available, in what quantities, and for how long. I'll get one to test for feasability, but, I need some answers to commit to development. I want to do this with the uCsimm, but it might be a little too early. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 01:15:43 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01982 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:07:21 GMT Message-ID: <37F7FD48.4086C429@moreton.com.au> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 01:05:12 +0000 From: Greg Ungerer Organization: Moreton Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com CC: ldoolitt@boa.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] webserver for ucsimm References: <199910012057.UAA17868@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hiya All, Donald Jeff Dionne wrote: > > > You can also consider Boa, http://www.boa.org/ > > It has a similar footprint, is GPL'd, and works on any *nix system > > with a working mmap(2). I trust uCLinux counts :-) . > > Seems to work just fine, and is faster then the tiny httpd we include > with uClinux. Here's a patch. Yes, something better needs doing for realloc. With some simple hacking you can reduce its code size by about half. The lex/yac parsing chews code space bad. Been using it under uClinux/ColdFire for months, works great... Seeya Greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Greg Ungerer EMAIL: gerg@moreton.com.au Moreton Bay PHONE: +61 7 3279 1822 Unit 12, 97 Jijaws St, FAX: +61 7 3279 1820 Sumner Park, QLD, 4074, Australia WEB: www.moreton.com.au This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 04:20:55 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18201 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 04:10:33 GMT From: ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov Message-ID: <19991004041500.13291.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] webserver for ucsimm To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:15:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <37F7FD48.4086C429@moreton.com.au> from "Greg Ungerer" at Oct 4, 99 01:05:12 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Greg - > > [Boa] Seems to work just fine, and is faster then the tiny httpd we include > > with uClinux. Here's a patch. Yes, something better needs doing for realloc. > > With some simple hacking you can reduce its code size by about half. > The lex/yac parsing chews code space bad. Is this the old or the new parser that "chews code space bad"? The new one is in 0.93.17.x at http://recycle.lbl.gov/~ldoolitt/boa/ And, what did you replace it with? > Been using it under uClinux/ColdFire for months, works great... Glad to hear it! - Larry This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 04:44:36 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20069 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 04:31:39 GMT Message-ID: <37F7E524.DFE92B9A@qiwei.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 23:22:12 +0000 From: Qiwei Xiao X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.0-final i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] Will I be allowed to make my own ucsimm board? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi I have two questions regarding the ucsimm: (1) I ordered all 3 items (the CD-rom, host board kit, and uCsimm). Will I have sufficient data to reproduce a ucsimm? In other words, will the CD contain the schematics and instructions on how to download the OS and application code to the flash? (2) If the answer to (1) is yes, am I allowed to reproduce the board? What kind of license is it using? If I develop a cool product, will I have to order all the ucsimms from your company (Rt-Control Inc)? Regards, Qiwei Xiao This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 07:39:03 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03189 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:30:04 GMT From: Donald Jeff Dionne Message-Id: <199910040705.HAA19940@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] webserver for ucsimm To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:05:54 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <19991004041500.13291.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> from "ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov" at Oct 3, 99 09:15:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > Greg - > > > > [Boa] Seems to work just fine, and is faster then the tiny httpd we include > > > with uClinux. Here's a patch. Yes, something better needs doing for realloc. > > > > With some simple hacking you can reduce its code size by about half. > > The lex/yac parsing chews code space bad. > > Is this the old or the new parser that "chews code space bad"? > The new one is in 0.93.17.x at http://recycle.lbl.gov/~ldoolitt/boa/ > And, what did you replace it with? It's the tables and token stack space. It really depends on the implementation, and flex is just terrible, bison is dismal but Berkeley yacc is not too bad and with a little hacking can be made to be quite good. Mind you, I didn't bother hacking that part of boa, it works just fine as is and it's a good thing when you don't have to do any hacking. We'll likely stick with the most minimal set of patches possible when we roll boa into the uClinux distribution. I've managed to get a full byacc generated parser into 4k of code, but a bunch of years have passed since then, we can affort the code space to do it right. Someone should to write a lex replacement that is a bit more reasonable than flex, though. > > > Been using it under uClinux/ColdFire for months, works great... Yes, noticed that. I have not yet bothered to look at many of the uClinux/Coldfire application ports yet, since you're using full relocation your code space can be quite a bit larger. I was suprised, actually, I expected to have to do quite a bit of hacking on boa to get it to fit with only short branches, but the port was actually trivial :-) > > Glad to hear it! > > - Larry > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > -- Cheers, Jeff / VE3DJF Jeff@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. ... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 13:03:23 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32006 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:53:37 GMT Message-ID: <002c01bf0e67$a84b7100$0500a8c0@sandman> From: "dan" To: Subject: [uCsimm] 68HC11A1 Processors.... Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:54:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hello all! This is slightly off topic, but does anyone here know where I can get two MC68HC11A1FN processors? If there is a direct replacement that would be OK. They are going into HandyBoard's (from MIT) and I can't locate the processors.... My son and I are building robots using the HBs. Mine will be hooked to the network via the uCsimm and will get it's commands from there, then unplug and go. My son is using IR to control his. Suggestions are of course welcome! This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 14:01:50 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04538 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:52:33 GMT Message-ID: <37F8BF8C.233805B6@merlotcom.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 09:54:04 -0500 From: Tom Barraza Organization: Merlot Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] SIMM socket part number? References: <37F4FBA3.69FCAD03@merlotcom.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------DB4A0023B457BF6B7B861D6F" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DB4A0023B457BF6B7B861D6F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all of you who replied to my request for socket info. I just realized I have an old (by today's standards) soundcard which has 3 30-pin SIMM sockets on it ... maybe I can cannibalize from this board ... if not, I'll order from Mouser, as they have been pretty decent to order from in the past. Thanks, Tom Tom Barraza wrote: > > Hi, > > does anyone have the part number (Digikey, AMP, etc.) for the 30 > contact SIMM socket that I can plug the uCsimm into? There appear > to be right-keyed, left-keyed, vertical, horizontal, etc. types > of these 30-pin SIMM sockets. > (I don't want to order the wrong ones!) > > I'm planning to do some hardware hacking with the uCsimm as soon > as one is shipped to me (I already ordered one), but to make > use of it, I obviously need to have some sort of prototyping > board with the correct socket, and I'm about to order a few > items from Digikey, so I might as well get a few of these > sockets too! > > BTW, what's the current status on getting these units shipped? > Just curious. > > Thanks in advance, > Tom Barraza -- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Tom Barraza . Telephone: (203) 730-1791 x310 . . Senior ASIC Design Engineer . FAX: (203) 730-1797 . . Merlot Communications . 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Barraza end:vcard --------------DB4A0023B457BF6B7B861D6F-- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 14:48:29 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08702 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:38:53 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991004102610.00a45d30@cpcug.org> X-Sender: stingley@cpcug.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:26:10 -0400 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com From: Patrick Stingley Subject: Re: [uCsimm] 68HC11A1 Processors.... In-Reply-To: <002c01bf0e67$a84b7100$0500a8c0@sandman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Allied Electronics lists the chip in their catalog, but their web site says they won't sell it over the Internet, so you might have some luck if you give them a call. Allied Corporate Headquarters 7410 Pebble Drive Fort Worth, Texas 76118 Phone: (817) 595-3500 Fax: (817) 595-6444 All the best, Pat Stingley At 08:54 AM 10/4/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hello all! > >This is slightly off topic, but does anyone here know where I can get two >MC68HC11A1FN processors? If there is a direct replacement that would be OK. >They are going into HandyBoard's (from MIT) and I can't locate the >processors.... > >My son and I are building robots using the HBs. Mine will be hooked to the >network via the uCsimm and will get it's commands from there, then unplug >and go. My son is using IR to control his. > >Suggestions are of course welcome! > > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 14:54:00 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09160 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:43:48 GMT Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA432@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Ethernet controller Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:45:17 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ampr.rt-control.com id OAA09149 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi group, cyrrus logic CS8900 seems to be a good product, however, who knows how long it will be available on the market ? if a multichip solution is choosen, many physical layer chips are on the way to disappear : motorola MC68160 is obsolete, some AMD chips are on the same way (line interface 7992, 7998) Motorola is not able to tell us how to connect their power pc (MPC823 with ethernet) on the network line... Have you or has anybody imagine another single chip solutions, if any ? NS ? other ? We have the same problem for our MC68332 Thanks Jean-Luc LE BEC materiel.sa@horoquartz.Fr > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Michael Durrant [SMTP:mdurrant@rt-control.com] > Date: vendredi 1 octobre 1999 03:58 > À: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Objet: Re: [uCsimm] package weight > > Your request would have been better sent to orderdesk@uclinux.com > Normally when you place an order we send you an email showing the > total cost including shipping and handling costs. I will ask Paula > to figure out what your charge would be for Shipping and handling > to CZ. > > -- > Michael Durrant > RT-CONTROL Inc. > mdurrant@rt-control.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Milan Riha > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 11:01 AM > Subject: [uCsimm] package weight > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm considering in order of the ucsimm development kit (CDROM, one or > > two ucsimms and the gardening board). > > I want to check the FedEx shipment expenses. Could you tell me the > > aproximate weight of this package? > > > > Milan Riha > > Webstep > > Czech Rep. > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 14:55:40 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09421 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:46:30 GMT Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA433@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: [uCsimm] Ethernet controller Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:48:12 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi group, cyrrus logic CS8900 seems to be a good product, however, who knows how long it will be available on the market ? if a multichip solution is choosen, many physical layer chips are on the way to disappear : motorola MC68160 is obsolete, some AMD chips are on the same way (line interface 7992, 7998) Motorola is not able to tell us how to connect their power pc (MPC823 with ethernet) on the network line... Have you or has anybody imagine another single chip solutions, if any ? NS ? other ? We have the same problem for our MC68332 Thanks Jean-Luc LE BEC materiel.sa@horoquartz.Fr sorry, the last message had irrelevant message copy ... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 15:00:40 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09830 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:50:59 GMT From: et@enterprise.net Message-Id: <199910041450.OAA09810@ampr.rt-control.com> To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:50:47 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [uCsimm] argh In-reply-to: <199910040705.HAA19940@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> References: <19991004041500.13291.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> from "ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov" at Oct 3, 99 09:15:00 pm X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com OK, not getting anywhere fast, can someone tell me: a> would buying the uC-CD solve all my problems? b> is there a good book or resource available which deals with customising the linux kernel for new cpu-boards etc? c> failing that, can someone tell me which files contain machine specific stuff? For example, I've edited head.S and a couple of others, but it's hopeless just looking through every file. d> Finally, how to generate a vm-linux.s19 file? I get some error when I try it. Thanks.. again.. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 15:43:07 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13821 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:35:25 GMT From: Russell Nelson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:34:52 -0400 (EDT) To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Ethernet controller In-Reply-To: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA433@SRV_COMM> References: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA433@SRV_COMM> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14328.51009.437513.666009@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q Hi group, > > cyrrus logic CS8900 seems to be a good product, however, who knows > how long it will be available on the market ? I asked Cirrus about that a year ago, when I read about some business developments at Cirrus, divesting themselves of their networking products. Here's the reply I got: > Hi Russ > I didn't see that announcement (they have been quite a few!) but the 8900 is > completely unaffected, and getting the A version out remains our top > priority. We have an extremely healthy business now, which will get even > better next year when several high volume accounts get going. We're also > considering opportunities for future products, and are still very much a > going concern. > > There's no question of dumping the 8900 - if there was, I'd be happy to ask > Cirrus to give it to me, quit my job and plan to retire in two years. If > only! We got tons of business coming in, many customers waiting for the A > version. -- -russ nelson http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 15:59:57 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15196 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:51:24 GMT Message-Id: <199910041651.SAA26322@ns2.thmulti.com> From: Paugam Luc To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Ethernet controller Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:46:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com A very good way for embedded system is to be interest in embedded processors that integrate a Communication Processor Module such as MC68360, MPC860 or MPC8260. Usually CPU have a better lifetime than peripheral ICs. Luc > -----Original Message----- > From: Service Diveloppement Materiel SA [SMTP:materiel.sa@horoquartz.fr] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 4:48 PM > To: 'ucsimm@uClinux.com' > Subject: [uCsimm] Ethernet controller > > Hi group, > > cyrrus logic CS8900 seems to be a good product, however, who knows how > long it will be available on the market ? > if a multichip solution is choosen, many physical layer chips are on the > way to disappear : > motorola MC68160 is obsolete, some AMD chips are on the same way (line > interface 7992, 7998) > Motorola is not able to tell us how to connect their power pc (MPC823 with > ethernet) on the network line... > Have you or has anybody imagine another single chip solutions, if any ? NS > ? other ? > We have the same problem for our MC68332 > > Thanks > Jean-Luc LE BEC > materiel.sa@horoquartz.Fr > > sorry, the last message had irrelevant message copy ... > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 16:18:06 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16421 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:05:20 GMT From: Donald Jeff Dionne Message-Id: <199910041541.PAA20419@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] argh To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:41:08 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199910041450.OAA09810@ampr.rt-control.com> from "et@enterprise.net" at Oct 4, 99 06:50:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > OK, not getting anywhere fast, can someone tell me: You are working with 68332, no? I believe support for 68332 is complete (all the files are there) but not tested. Look at the SHGL core stuff. > > a> would buying the uC-CD solve all my problems? It contains everything you need, but will not automatically give you the solution for 68332, it's a 328 kit. > > b> is there a good book or resource available which deals with > customising the linux kernel for new cpu-boards etc? No. At least not yet ;^) > > c> failing that, can someone tell me which files contain machine > specific stuff? For example, I've edited head.S and a couple of > others, but it's hopeless just looking through every file. In the 2.0.38.0 tree, much of the board specific stuff is seperated out. it's not as seperated as it will be in 2.0.38.1, which is coming along nicely as Vladimir has been sending me patches for portability of late. > > d> Finally, how to generate a vm-linux.s19 file? I get some error > when I try it. What error? Which kernel? > > Thanks.. again.. > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > -- Cheers, Jeff / VE3DJF Jeff@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. ... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 16:31:28 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17658 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:19:37 GMT Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA434@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Ethernet controller Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:21:08 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ampr.rt-control.com id QAA17647 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com nice solutions, but ask motorola for the physical layer chip, there's nothing ... and the need is for a companion chip for other processors we already use : dragon ball, 68332. bye, Jean-Luc > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Paugam Luc [SMTP:PAUGAML@thmulti.com] > Date: lundi 4 octobre 1999 17:46 > À: 'ucsimm@uClinux.com' > Objet: RE: [uCsimm] Ethernet controller > > A very good way for embedded system is to be interest in embedded processors > that integrate a Communication Processor Module such as MC68360, MPC860 or > MPC8260. Usually CPU have a better lifetime than peripheral ICs. > > Luc > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Service Diveloppement Materiel SA [SMTP:materiel.sa@horoquartz.fr] > > Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 4:48 PM > > To: 'ucsimm@uClinux.com' > > Subject: [uCsimm] Ethernet controller > > > > Hi group, > > > > cyrrus logic CS8900 seems to be a good product, however, who knows how > > long it will be available on the market ? > > if a multichip solution is choosen, many physical layer chips are on the > > way to disappear : > > motorola MC68160 is obsolete, some AMD chips are on the same way (line > > interface 7992, 7998) > > Motorola is not able to tell us how to connect their power pc (MPC823 with > > ethernet) on the network line... > > Have you or has anybody imagine another single chip solutions, if any ? NS > > ? other ? > > We have the same problem for our MC68332 > > > > Thanks > > Jean-Luc LE BEC > > materiel.sa@horoquartz.Fr > > > > sorry, the last message had irrelevant message copy ... > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 16:37:17 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18154 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:25:34 GMT Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA435@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Ethernet controller Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:27:10 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ampr.rt-control.com id QAA18141 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com thanks for that Russ. let's wait and see. Bye, Jean-Luc > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Russell Nelson [SMTP:nelson@crynwr.com] > Date: lundi 4 octobre 1999 17:35 > À: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Objet: Re: [uCsimm] Ethernet controller > > Service Développement Materiel SA writes: > > Hi group, > > > > cyrrus logic CS8900 seems to be a good product, however, who knows > > how long it will be available on the market ? > > I asked Cirrus about that a year ago, when I read about some business > developments at Cirrus, divesting themselves of their networking > products. Here's the reply I got: > > > Hi Russ > > I didn't see that announcement (they have been quite a few!) but the 8900 is > > completely unaffected, and getting the A version out remains our top > > priority. We have an extremely healthy business now, which will get even > > better next year when several high volume accounts get going. We're also > > considering opportunities for future products, and are still very much a > > going concern. > > > > There's no question of dumping the 8900 - if there was, I'd be happy to ask > > Cirrus to give it to me, quit my job and plan to retire in two years. If > > only! We got tons of business coming in, many customers waiting for the A > > version. > > -- > -russ nelson http://russnelson.com > Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | Government schools are so > 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur > Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 16:49:59 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19524 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:41:19 GMT From: "Bob Coggeshall" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Ethernet controller Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:43:01 -0700 Message-ID: <001201bf0e87$85859040$1931a8c0@inside.sealabs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA433@SRV_COMM> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Establishing when a mfr will end-of-life a part is fun. Isn't it ? :) My personal feeling is that the CS8900 is so popular, that it won't go eol for a long, long time. They just introduced a 3.3Volt version which is a good indicator. ..c > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > Behalf Of Service Développement Materiel SA > Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 7:48 AM > To: 'ucsimm@uClinux.com' > Subject: [uCsimm] Ethernet controller > > > > Hi group, > > cyrrus logic CS8900 seems to be a good product, however, who > knows how long it will be available on the market ? > if a multichip solution is choosen, many physical layer chips are > on the way to disappear : > motorola MC68160 is obsolete, some AMD chips are on the same way > (line interface 7992, 7998) > Motorola is not able to tell us how to connect their power pc > (MPC823 with ethernet) on the network line... > Have you or has anybody imagine another single chip solutions, if > any ? NS ? other ? > We have the same problem for our MC68332 > > Thanks > Jean-Luc LE BEC > materiel.sa@horoquartz.Fr > > sorry, the last message had irrelevant message copy ... > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 16:53:56 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19878 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:45:12 GMT Message-ID: <37F8D9E2.B88ACAB6@umbc.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 12:46:26 -0400 From: Jason Hihn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] Some beginner questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Ok, I'm new to robotics, and I appear to be in over my head.... Unfortuneately, I selected a robotics project for credit for my degree that i hope to be done with this semester.... So my questions are: 1) What hardware is everyone using to control servos, stepper motors, etc.. 2) Would it be a cool idea to come up with a web page for uCsimm compatable parts, etc. And maybe some schematics and code? Thank you for your time. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 17:17:37 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21913 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:09:39 GMT Message-ID: <37F8DF89.DB6BF2CF@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:10:33 -0700 From: "Vladimir A. Gurevich" Organization: Cisco Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-CISCOENG [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] argh References: <19991004041500.13291.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> from "ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov" at Oct 3, 99 09:15:00 pm <199910041450.OAA09810@ampr.rt-control.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hello, et@enterprise.net wrote: > a> would buying the uC-CD solve all my problems? Probably no. It might solve only your embedded system-related problems :) Jeff, Michael: You have to add a disclamer, that uCsimm and related software are not supposed to be used to solve personal, finance, housing, immigration and other problems :) > b> is there a good book or resource available which deals with > customising the linux kernel for new cpu-boards etc? I don't think so. > c> failing that, can someone tell me which files contain machine > specific stuff? For example, I've edited head.S and a couple of > others, but it's hopeless just looking through every file. The current release of uClinux has most of the machine-specific stuff separated in arch/m68knommu/platform/$(CPU)/$(BOARD)*.* files. The upcoming release will probably change this to arch/m68knommu/platform/$CPU/$(BOARD)/* You will find a number of ports there, including Pilot, UCsimm, M68328ADS (ads) board and ALMA board (alma_ans). If your board is Dragonball-based you'll probably add the support very quickly. I've also changed a couple of other files so that you'll get a compilation error if you forget to add support for your board. Also, do not forget to take a look at arch/m68knommu/config.in > d> Finally, how to generate a vm-linux.s19 file? I get some error > when I try it. Currently you should do make linux.s19 BTW, I am referring to http://www.uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/uClinux-2.0.38.0.diff.gz as a "current release". You might want to wait a little, since the new release was expected this weekend... Regards, Vladimir -- +------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ | | | | | :|: :|: | phone 408-525-9707 Vladimir Gurevich | :|||: :|||: | fax 408-527-1713 Software Engineer | .:|||||||:..:|||||||:. | NUBU/DIAL | CiscoSystems | e-mail vgurevic@cisco.com | | location SJ-7-2 Cube D1-12 | http://www.cisco.com | +------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 17:49:22 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24632 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:41:35 GMT From: ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov Message-ID: <19991004174545.14286.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Ethernet controller To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:45:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA432@SRV_COMM> from "Service Développement Materiel SA" at Oct 4, 99 04:45:17 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi - > cyrrus logic CS8900 seems to be a good product, however, who knows > how long it will be available on the market ? I would assume long enough for the uCSimm folks to recoup their design investment for their board. I would also assume that when/if any given part for the uCSimm becomes unavailable, the design will be updated to fix the problem. The new part will be 99+% compatible with all existing applications hardware and software, though of course the drivers may have to change. The most fearsome part is not the Ethernet controller (any single- or multi-chip solution will work if it has a TX/RX port, and a Linux driver), but the Dragonball itself. Applications programmers will eagerly use the nifty features of those programmable I/O ports. Any replacement will require close emulation of those features, _unless_ the applications programmers use discipline, creativity, and self control, to give themselves a hardware abstraction layer that keeps most of their code from breaking when different hardware is used. I won't hold my breath. - Larry Doolittle This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 17:55:54 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25260 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:48:50 GMT Message-ID: <37F8F577.F3FDDDB9@RIP.CZ> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 20:44:07 +0200 From: Milan Riha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Ethernet controller References: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA432@SRV_COMM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Service Développement Materiel SA wrote: > Hi group, > > cyrrus logic CS8900 seems to be a good product, however, who knows how long it will be available on the market ? > if a multichip solution is choosen, many physical layer chips are on the way to disappear : > motorola MC68160 is obsolete, some AMD chips are on the same way (line interface 7992, 7998) > Motorola is not able to tell us how to connect their power pc (MPC823 with ethernet) on the network line... > Have you or has anybody imagine another single chip solutions, if any ? NS ? other ? Hi, have a look at Realtek page http://www.realtek.com.tw/cn/doc/8019AS.htm Milan > > We have the same problem for our MC68332 > > Thanks > Jean-Luc LE BEC > materiel.sa@horoquartz.Fr This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 18:34:32 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28433 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:27:19 GMT Message-ID: <19991004182810.49305.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.252.104.195] From: "Mert INCEIPLIK" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some beginner questions Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:28:08 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Jason, If you're a beginner, I suggest u use a 68hc11 or 68hc12 first. If you want you can refer to those sites. www.seattlerobotics.org www.rdrop.com/~marvin Good Luck, mert >From: Jason Hihn >Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >Subject: [uCsimm] Some beginner questions >Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 12:46:26 -0400 > >Ok, I'm new to robotics, and I appear to be in over my head.... >Unfortuneately, I selected a robotics project for credit for my degree >that i hope to be done with this semester.... > >So my questions are: >1) What hardware is everyone using to control servos, stepper motors, >etc.. > >2) Would it be a cool idea to come up with a web page for uCsimm >compatable parts, etc. And maybe some schematics and code? > >Thank you for your time. >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server >http://www.uClinux.com/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 18:35:47 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28563 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:28:55 GMT Message-ID: <19991004182952.85057.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.252.104.195] From: "Mert INCEIPLIK" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] 68HC11A1 Processors.... Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:29:49 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com OK Dan, Here it is... http://www.jameco.com/cfm/viewdesc.cfm?part_num=116960 or, ftp://www.jameco.com/jameco_gifs/gallery3/001016/ but if you order one of these you'll save lotssa time: http://www.nwlink.com/~kevinro/products.html ps: (I dunno this guy) mert >From: "dan" >Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >To: >Subject: [uCsimm] 68HC11A1 Processors.... >Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:54:28 -0400 > >Hello all! > >This is slightly off topic, but does anyone here know where I can get two >MC68HC11A1FN processors? If there is a direct replacement that would be >OK. >They are going into HandyBoard's (from MIT) and I can't locate the >processors.... > >My son and I are building robots using the HBs. Mine will be hooked to the >network via the uCsimm and will get it's commands from there, then unplug >and go. My son is using IR to control his. > >Suggestions are of course welcome! > > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server >http://www.uClinux.com/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 19:06:08 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30984 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:58:02 GMT From: Alan Kilian (CBC) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:59:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199910041859.NAA29452@panicle.ahc.umn.edu> To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] Re: 68HC11A1 Processors Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com You can get these from B. G. Micro. $6.95 each. http://bgm.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?prodid=ICS68HC11A1 - Alan Kilian (Remove one l from killian to send Email) University of Minnesota Computational Biology Centers 612.625-8648 (Voice) Box 43 Mayo Bldg, 420 Delaware St SE 612.626.6069 (FAX) Minneapolis, MN 55455 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 19:19:13 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32086 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:11:38 GMT Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991004121126.00cc5600@mail1.dcomm.net> X-Sender: terrye@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 12:12:24 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com From: Terry Ewing Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some beginner questions In-Reply-To: <37F8D9E2.B88ACAB6@umbc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > >2) Would it be a cool idea to come up with a web page for uCsimm >compatable parts, etc. And maybe some schematics and code? Yes, that would be great. I'm willing to host the page (I have an ISP) free of charge if someone else is willing to put in the effort of maintaining it. -Terry This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 21:11:37 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09124 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:03:50 GMT From: Alan Kilian (CBC) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:05:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199910042105.QAA29832@panicle.ahc.umn.edu> To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] 68HC11A1 Processors.... Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Be careful, Dan said he wanted a MC68HC11A1FN which is in a quad 52 pin PLCC package, but Mert sent (http://www.jameco.com/cfm/viewdesc.cfm?part_num=116960) which is a DIP 48-pin part. And I only found HC811E2's on http://www.nwlink.com/~kevinro/products.html -Alan Kilian This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 4 23:25:23 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21212 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:19:33 GMT Message-ID: <37F93575.F40572F6@moreton.com.au> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 23:17:09 +0000 From: Greg Ungerer Organization: Moreton Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] webserver for ucsimm References: <19991004041500.13291.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi Larry, ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov wrote: > > > [Boa] Seems to work just fine, and is faster then the tiny httpd we include > > > with uClinux. Here's a patch. Yes, something better needs doing for realloc. > > > > With some simple hacking you can reduce its code size by about half. > > The lex/yac parsing chews code space bad. > > Is this the old or the new parser that "chews code space bad"? I have been using 0.93.16.1. I really needed the authentication support. > The new one is in 0.93.17.x at http://recycle.lbl.gov/~ldoolitt/boa/ > And, what did you replace it with? Totally static config. I just hard coded all the usual config info. This isn't too much of a problem in embedded setups. This is essentially what I did inside config.c: #ifdef EMBED /* * These avlues are hard-wired when we are embbeding. */ int server_port = 80; uid_t server_uid; gid_t server_gid; char *server_admin; char *server_root; char *server_name = "uClinux/ColdFire"; char *server_chroot; int virtualhost; char *document_root = "/home/httpd"; char *user_dir; char *directory_index; char *default_type = "text/html"; char *dirmaker; etc... The you don't need the lex and yac parsing code and data structures. > > Been using it under uClinux/ColdFire for months, works great... > > Glad to hear it! Yep, very nice job boa guys! Seeya Greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Greg Ungerer EMAIL: gerg@moreton.com.au Moreton Bay PHONE: +61 7 3279 1822 Unit 12, 97 Jijaws St, FAX: +61 7 3279 1820 Sumner Park, QLD, 4074, Australia WEB: www.moreton.com.au This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 00:16:27 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25711 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:09:11 GMT Message-Id: From: mdevon@spies.com (Mark Devon) Subject: Re: [uCsimm] argh To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:10:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <37F8DF89.DB6BF2CF@cisco.com> from "Vladimir A. Gurevich" at Oct 4, 99 10:10:33 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Vladimir; Greetings from the other side of San Jose (West Side). What compiler are you using with this UC-Linux project, if I may ask? -- Mark Devon PCtel This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 01:55:22 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01728 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:49:47 GMT Message-ID: <37F958AD.6CF09B32@moreton.com.au> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:47:25 +0000 From: Greg Ungerer Organization: Moreton Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] webserver for ucsimm References: <199910040705.HAA19940@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hiya Jeff, Donald Jeff Dionne wrote: > > > Been using it under uClinux/ColdFire for months, works great... > > Yes, noticed that. I have not yet bothered to look at many of the uClinux/Coldfire > application ports yet, since you're using full relocation your code space can be > quite a bit larger. Well I guess that is a problem you will always have with such small executables. There are some things that become totally impracticle :-) Take samba for example... On uClinux/ColdFire is compiles to be: nmbd 396712 smbd 813384 Sure you will be able to reduce that alot. Its gonna be quite a trick to get that to ~30k though... Seeya Greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Greg Ungerer EMAIL: gerg@moreton.com.au Moreton Bay PHONE: +61 7 3279 1822 Unit 12, 97 Jijaws St, FAX: +61 7 3279 1820 Sumner Park, QLD, 4074, Australia WEB: www.moreton.com.au This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 02:12:56 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03256 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:06:39 GMT Message-ID: <37F95D85.64FCD8BC@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 19:08:05 -0700 From: "Vladimir A. Gurevich" Organization: Cisco Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-CISCOENG [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com, Mark Devon Subject: Re: [uCsimm] argh References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hello Mark, Mark Devon wrote: > Greetings from the other side of San Jose (West Side). Ditto. Just looked at www.spies.com, but your page seems to be missing... > What compiler are you using with this UC-Linux project, > if I may ask? That's what the list is for: questions and answers :) I use the modified GCC compiler and binutils, that is available at uClinux ftp site. ftp://ryeham.ee.ryerson.ca/pub/uClinux/uclinuxgcc-kit-160899.tar.gz Untar it and follow the simple intructions. I had no problems whatsoever. Regards, Vladimir -- +------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ | | | | | :|: :|: | phone 408-525-9707 Vladimir Gurevich | :|||: :|||: | fax 408-527-1713 Software Engineer | .:|||||||:..:|||||||:. | NUBU/DIAL | CiscoSystems | e-mail vgurevic@cisco.com | | location SJ-7-2 Cube D1-12 | http://www.cisco.com | +------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 03:12:48 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08556 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:05:26 GMT Message-ID: <01c001bf0ede$d2b6ff00$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <37F7E524.DFE92B9A@qiwei.net> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Will I be allowed to make my own ucsimm board? Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:07:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Qiwei Xiao asks: > (1) I ordered all 3 items (the CD-rom, host board kit, > and uCsimm). Will I have sufficient data to reproduce > a ucsimm? In other words, will the CD contain the > schematics and instructions on how to download the > OS and application code to the flash? The CD comes complete with the tools you will need to install a uClinux kernel and rom files system on the uCsimm. As with most all Linux software, uClinux is open source and is licensed under the GNU Public License. > (2) If the answer to (1) is yes, am I allowed to reproduce > the board? What kind of license is it using? If I develop > a cool product, will I have to order all the ucsimms from > your company (Rt-Control Inc)? If you develop a cool project, we would love to sell you uCsimm modules. But for large commercial runs it would best to license the design from Rt-Control Inc and build the circuit into your device/project. While we will release schematics in the uCsimm documentation, the design is copyright and is proprietary to Rt-Control, Jeff and myself. > Regards, > Qiwei Xiao -- Michael Durrant This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 03:26:55 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09862 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:19:46 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: tampico.usc.edu: xuanchen owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:21:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Xuan Chen To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] uclinux hacking. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi, guys: We are planning to do some hacking on uclinux. We already put the order for ucsimm. Also, we would like to port uclinux to 3Com palm pilot. I know this has been done already, can anybody give me some hints on how to do that? I appreciate that. Cheers, -chen This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 04:10:17 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13746 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:02:58 GMT From: Geoffrey Wossum Message-Id: <199910050404.XAA10836@omega.uta.edu> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some beginner questions To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:04:30 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <37F8D9E2.B88ACAB6@umbc.edu> from "Jason Hihn" at Oct 4, 99 12:46:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Ok, I'm new to robotics, and I appear to be in over my head.... > Unfortuneately, I selected a robotics project for credit for my degree > that i hope to be done with this semester.... Hehe. We're doing a robot development kit for our senior project. But we have a team of 6 and 2 semesters. http://rover1.uta.edu/~ako > So my questions are: > 1) What hardware is everyone using to control servos, stepper motors, > etc.. What we're doing is assuredly more complicated than what you need or want to do, but I'll go ahead and describe it. The uCsimm connects to a whole fleet of Microchip PICs over an I2C bus. The uCsimm has built in I2C master support (correct?), but we also needed it to be a slave for our overall design. So the uCsimm connects to the I2C network through a Philips PCF8584 bus interface (we had a hard time obtaining this chip, BTW). The uCsimm talks to the PICs over the I2C network, and then the PICs do the work of digital i/o, analog I/O, and motor control. We were going to use the extremely popular 16F84A, with the I2C done entirely in software. But as I started designing the firmware, it became obvious that a software only approach would eat up all the PICs power as the network became more active. So were planning on switching to something in the 16C6x series, 16C64s probably. These have hardware I2C slave and hardware support for implementing I2C multimaster in software. So the concise answer to your question is a whole fleet of PICs. Since your pressed for time, you might look into getting a National Instruments interface board with DIO, ADC, DAC, and motor control on it and interfacing with it through LabView software. This will, however, be rather expensive ($500+ for board and software?), and your professor might claim this made it too easy. --- Geoffrey Wossum gwossum@acm.org This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 04:13:35 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14073 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:06:33 GMT Message-ID: <02b101bf0ee7$56070c80$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <37F95D85.64FCD8BC@cisco.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] argh Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:08:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Vladimir A. Gurevich points out that: > I use the modified GCC compiler and binutils, that is available at > uClinux ftp site. > > ftp://ryeham.ee.ryerson.ca/pub/uClinux/uclinuxgcc-kit-160899.tar.gz > > Untar it and follow the simple intructions. I had no problems > whatsoever. It is also available at http://www.uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/uclinuxgcc-kit-160899.tar.gz Eventually the ftp site at ryeham.ee.ryerson.ca will be closed after we set up a ftp site on one of the uclinux.org machines. Until then www.uclinux.org will handle only http file transfers. -- Michael Durrant RT-CONTROL Inc. mdurrant@rt-control.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 05:43:39 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22037 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 05:37:02 GMT Message-ID: <37F98ECF.EAC316E9@umbc.edu> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:38:23 -0400 From: Jason Hihn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some beginner questions References: <4.2.0.58.19991004121126.00cc5600@mail1.dcomm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Ok. I'll bite. If people submit stuff I'll try to get it laid out and posted some where. If you ask me it'd be really handy if the uclinux people were to host it under uclinux.{com|org} might help sales, and just be a good idea to have it all there. If you sumbit stuff, make sure all info is complete, including part nos, places wher you can get it, approx cost, etc, datasheets to, in PDF etc... If you could please put "uCsimm Part" in the subject. Thanks Terry Ewing wrote: > > > > >2) Would it be a cool idea to come up with a web page for uCsimm > >compatable parts, etc. And maybe some schematics and code? > > Yes, that would be great. I'm willing to host the page (I have an ISP) > free of charge if someone else is willing to put in the effort of > maintaining it. > > -Terry > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 06:15:35 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24836 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:09:10 GMT From: et@enterprise.net Message-Id: <199910050609.GAA24822@ampr.rt-control.com> To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:09:09 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [uCsimm] 68HC11A1 Processors.... In-reply-to: <19991004182952.85057.qmail@hotmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > but if you order one of these you'll save lotssa time: > > http://www.nwlink.com/~kevinro/products.html I can vouch that's a good board though - pretty foolproof compared to this linux stuff :) - and what, $35 still? This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 07:28:29 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31262 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:20:40 GMT Message-ID: <37F9A727.F99D687B@umbc.edu> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 03:22:15 -0400 From: Jason Hihn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some beginner questions References: <199910050404.XAA10836@omega.uta.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com What is I2C? Is it a 1 megabit serial multiplexed bus? This is the first I've heard of it, but then i'm new to hardware. All my design has been on simulators... Hrm.. I was planning on control over ethernet to control multiplexed rs232 i/o to/from senors and servos. Maybe i2c would be better. Can you point me in the right direction? All i want is a little car that can give a path to, have it follow it and see is it's going to hit anything. I'm looking at IR senors (1 meter range) and a servo and a stepper motor. I still have to figure out how i can have rotational turrent w/o twisting wires up..... Any help would be appreciated. Thank you for your time, Jason Hihn Geoffrey Wossum wrote: > > > Ok, I'm new to robotics, and I appear to be in over my head.... > > Unfortuneately, I selected a robotics project for credit for my degree > > that i hope to be done with this semester.... > > Hehe. We're doing a robot development kit for our senior project. But we > have a team of 6 and 2 semesters. http://rover1.uta.edu/~ako This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 08:46:49 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05393 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:38:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: mail1.cern.ch: Host suncmspri1.cern.ch [137.138.126.122] claimed to be cern.ch Message-ID: <37F9B97A.1E7303EB@cern.ch> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 10:40:26 +0200 From: Jean-Marie Bussat Organization: Princeton University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] Linux Journal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hello All, On the october issue of the "Linux Journal", the main subject is embedded Linux. Their articles are interesting but I was unable to find a single word about the Ucsimm/UcLinux project. I was quite surprised because the Ucsimm/UcLinux project might have some applications in the field of embedded systems (!!) It is comming at the right place along with commercial and other products (e.g. emlinux), which are mainly focused on i86 processors or VME boards. Sorry, I was just thinking. Any comments...? Regards, Jean-Marie -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jean-Marie Bussat - Dept. of physics, Princeton University | | CERN/EP - Bldg. 15-S-012 - CH-1211 GENEVA 23 - Switzerland | | Email: bussat@cern.ch | | Tel: (41 22) 767 32 41 Fax: (41 22) 767 32 41 | +------------------------------------------------------------+ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 09:17:51 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08125 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:09:56 GMT Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA438@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Ethernet controller Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:11:38 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Thanks everybody for all your inputs on CS8900. I'm satisfied with that status ... Jean-Luc This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 13:36:09 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29450 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:09:39 GMT Message-ID: <37FA0690.97E75115@insnet.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 15:09:20 +0100 From: Leigh Porter MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Linux Journal References: <37F9B97A.1E7303EB@cern.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Jean-Marie Bussat wrote: If somebody would write an article about it or summit, I am sure LiuxJ would include it.. Ask them? -- Leigh > Hello All, > > On the october issue of the "Linux Journal", the main subject > is embedded Linux. Their articles are interesting but I was unable > to find a single word about the Ucsimm/UcLinux project. > > I was quite surprised because the Ucsimm/UcLinux project might > have some applications in the field of embedded systems (!!) > It is comming at the right place along with commercial and other > products (e.g. emlinux), which are mainly focused on i86 > processors or VME boards. > > Sorry, I was just thinking. Any comments...? > > Regards, > Jean-Marie > -- > +------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Jean-Marie Bussat - Dept. of physics, Princeton University | > | CERN/EP - Bldg. 15-S-012 - CH-1211 GENEVA 23 - Switzerland | > | Email: bussat@cern.ch | > | Tel: (41 22) 767 32 41 Fax: (41 22) 767 32 41 | > +------------------------------------------------------------+ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 14:24:46 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02410 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:13:47 GMT Message-ID: <37FA08A2.3A4EBBFE@softsys.co.at> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 16:18:10 +0200 From: Erwin Authried X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some beginner questions References: <199910050404.XAA10836@omega.uta.edu> <37F9A727.F99D687B@umbc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Jason Hihn wrote: > What is I2C? Is it a 1 megabit serial multiplexed bus? This is the first > I've heard of it, but then i'm new to hardware. All my design has been > on simulators... > > Hrm.. I was planning on control over ethernet to control multiplexed > rs232 i/o to/from senors and servos. Maybe i2c would be better. > Can you point me in the right direction? Look for "i2c" on http://www-us.semiconductors.philips.com. In the "other" section, you will find the i2c bus specification. -Erwin This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 15:05:34 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06007 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:54:07 GMT Message-Id: <199910051453.OAA05988@ampr.rt-control.com> From: "Alan Ward" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] 68HC11A1 Processors.... Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:23:41 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com If you don't mind second hand, old HD drives. Several of the Conner 20-40 MB series had these on the controller card. I found one, MC68HC11A1FN s/n B95T8752 on a 20 MB drive. Regards, Alan Ward ---------- > De: dan > A: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Asunto: [uCsimm] 68HC11A1 Processors.... > Fecha: dilluns, 4 / octubre / 1999 14:54 > > Hello all! > > This is slightly off topic, but does anyone here know where I can get two > MC68HC11A1FN processors? If there is a direct replacement that would be OK. > They are going into HandyBoard's (from MIT) and I can't locate the > processors.... > > My son and I are building robots using the HBs. Mine will be hooked to the > network via the uCsimm and will get it's commands from there, then unplug > and go. My son is using IR to control his. > > Suggestions are of course welcome! > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 15:59:29 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10789 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:47:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: mail1.cern.ch: Host suncmspri1.cern.ch [137.138.126.122] claimed to be cern.ch Message-ID: <37FA1DEA.BE39A6DC@cern.ch> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 17:48:58 +0200 From: Jean-Marie Bussat Organization: Princeton University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Linux Journal References: <37F9B97A.1E7303EB@cern.ch> <37FA0690.97E75115@insnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Leigh Porter wrote: > If somebody would write an article about it or summit, I am sure LiuxJ would > include it.. Ask them? I'm sure they would accept such an article but I realized that it would be more interesting if this article is based on an application of the uCsimm (or uCLinux running on another board). For something based on the uCsimm, it is a little bit to early but for uCLinux, there may be someone on this list who is working on something that could be a starting point for an article (?) Regards, Jean-Marie -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jean-Marie Bussat - Dept. of physics, Princeton University | | CERN/EP - Bldg. 15-S-012 - CH-1211 GENEVA 23 - Switzerland | | Email: bussat@cern.ch | | Tel: (41 22) 767 32 41 Fax: (41 22) 767 32 41 | +------------------------------------------------------------+ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 16:20:35 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12870 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:11:04 GMT Message-ID: <37FA235B.2D51392E@emlinux.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:12:11 -0700 From: Joel Williams Organization: emlinux X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Linux Journal References: <37F9B97A.1E7303EB@cern.ch> <37FA0690.97E75115@insnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Leigh Porter wrote: > > Jean-Marie Bussat wrote: > > If somebody would write an article about it or summit, I am sure LiuxJ would > include it.. Ask them? > > -- > Leigh > > > Hello All, > > > > On the october issue of the "Linux Journal", the main subject > > is embedded Linux. Their articles are interesting but I was unable > > to find a single word about the Ucsimm/UcLinux project. > > > > I was quite surprised because the Ucsimm/UcLinux project might > > have some applications in the field of embedded systems (!!) > > It is comming at the right place along with commercial and other > > products (e.g. emlinux), which are mainly focused on i86 > > processors or VME boards. > > > > Sorry, I was just thinking. Any comments...? > > > > Regards, > > Jean-Marie > > -- > > +------------------------------------------------------------+ > > | Jean-Marie Bussat - Dept. of physics, Princeton University | > > | CERN/EP - Bldg. 15-S-012 - CH-1211 GENEVA 23 - Switzerland | > > | Email: bussat@cern.ch | > > | Tel: (41 22) 767 32 41 Fax: (41 22) 767 32 41 | > > +------------------------------------------------------------+ > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ Leigh, I wrote one of the articles in LinuxJ, on embedded Linux for commerical systems. I and have been a uClinux lurker for a long time. I also have "ordered" a uSimm card. I did not mention uClinux perhaps because I don't know enough about it. Back about March, I downloaded the available software and spent about half a day trying to understand what was there. I could not get cross development tools to compile the code (on slackware at the time), I forget exactly why. I decided that this was not "ready for prime time" because it would take a lot of digging around and reverse-engineering to get a decent development environment up to develop a serious commerical product. While I heartily support efforts such as uClinux, this is exactly the kind of project that sales people use to sell commerical OS, like vxWorks. They simply point to how much time and effort you need to put into learning about, installing, and supporting uClinux to get to the point that you can develop your product. Suddenly, vxWorks looks cheap and more reliable, a safer bet for management. (Truth is irrelevant in sales, its all image.) In order to succeed, this must be packaged so that a junior level software engineer can install and develop on a PC running a stock RH 6.0. They should be able to simply load a uSimm package and compile with 30 minutes. Setting up a remote gdb target to some demo board should take no longer than 1 hour (via either a serial port or ethernet). This includes reading (or more likely, not reading) the documentation. In fairlness, I have not looked at uClinux code lately, and have not gotten the CDROM. As it turns out, most of my 68K clients have migrated to the PowerPC because an integrated PPC like the mpc850 permits making a cheaper product, at least for things like set-top-boxes and dsl modems. Please do not let my omission discourage you in any way. I think that eventually uClinux, ppcOrg, and other projects will provide a serious threat to the commerical OS. Currently it appears to me that embedded linux is in an embroyonic stage, just getting the basic OS up and stable. Packaging the tools, a library of common drivers, beginner level documentation, and other components needed for "commerical success" have not evolved sufficiently yet. I am trying to do my part in a different way, by turning out successful embedded Linux commerical products to help build credibility. Joel Williams joel@emlinux.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 18:36:10 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21406 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:46:31 GMT Message-ID: <37F90F7B.DE2C7195@tiq.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 21:35:07 +0100 From: Erik Johansson Organization: erik@tiq.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ucfarmer board details? References: <37F3F29B.2F26734B@tasmail.com> <01fd01bf0bad$b3411d60$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.0b Unregistered Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com "Orderdesk (www.uClinux.com)" wrote: > Sorry to say that Rick Farmer's board is not available Note, he did this out of frustration of closed layout hardware. BTW, I would like to buy a unit but I live in Sweden wich isn't listed at FedEx any tips on how I can get hold no a ucSimm anyway? /emj This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 18:48:52 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26048 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:39:14 GMT From: "Tom Zagotta" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] 68HC11A1 Processors.... Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:56:06 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002c01bf0e67$a84b7100$0500a8c0@sandman> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hello, I seen a lot of discussion on where to find an MC68HC11A1 which is an obsolete part. How about using an MC68HC11E1? It's the same thing except it has 512 bytes of RAM instead of 256 bytes. The 'E1 should be a whole lot easier to get. Best Regards, Tom Zagotta > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > Behalf Of dan > Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 8:54 AM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: [uCsimm] 68HC11A1 Processors.... > > > Hello all! > > This is slightly off topic, but does anyone here know where I can get two > MC68HC11A1FN processors? If there is a direct replacement that > would be OK. > They are going into HandyBoard's (from MIT) and I can't locate the > processors.... > > My son and I are building robots using the HBs. Mine will be > hooked to the > network via the uCsimm and will get it's commands from there, then unplug > and go. My son is using IR to control his. > > Suggestions are of course welcome! > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 19:06:26 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27388 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:56:28 GMT From: Donald Jeff Dionne Message-Id: <199910051828.SAA22304@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Linux Journal To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:28:02 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <37FA235B.2D51392E@emlinux.com> from "Joel Williams" at Oct 5, 99 09:12:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > I wrote one of the articles in LinuxJ, on embedded Linux for commerical > systems. Wow, you actually _do_ something with that emlinux domain :-) Sorry, just could not resist ;^) ... > I did not mention uClinux perhaps because I don't know enough about it. > Back about March, I downloaded the available software and spent about Well, you know, it's probabily best to ask. Certainly when the article is going to be talking about things so important to the future of Linux. IMHO, embedded does not really include CompactPCI, PC104 or anything like that, you can't afford to build high volume products based on that sort of thing, which goes for Pentium anything too... > half a day > trying to understand what was there. I could not get cross development There are real products SHIPPING NOW with uClinux in them. Everything else is catching up (like Hard Hat & Lineo for example). There have been shipping products for 18 months with uClinux in them. People have been shipping stock x86 linux in things like X terminals for longer, but that's just a packaging issue. > this was not "ready for prime time" because it would take a lot of > digging around > and reverse-engineering to get a decent development environment up to > develop a > serious commerical product. Nonesense. We've done a lot of work on the tools lately and the CD installs in 5 minutes (10 minutes to your first "hello, world" running on uCsimm) but it was never true that there was a lot of digging. There are even independant ports of uClinux to i960, 68302, ColdFire, 68332, whatever processor Axis is running and likely more that we don't know about. It can be done, and it's not all that hard. Much easier now with 2.0.38, which the CD installs. If you haven't ordered one yet, they are there for sale, visit the secure server. You can even contract us for support and engineering. ... > In order to succeed, this must be packaged so that a junior level > software > engineer can install and develop on a PC running a stock RH 6.0. They > should > be able to simply load a uSimm package and compile with 30 minutes. You didn't ask for an advance copy of the module to review. You didn't ask for an advance copy of the CD to review. Need I say more? > In fairlness, I have not looked at uClinux code lately, and have not > gotten > the CDROM. (!) > Please do not let my omission discourage you in any way. I think that > eventually uClinux, ppcOrg, and other projects will provide a serious > threat to the commerical OS. Currently it appears to me that embedded > linux > is in an embroyonic stage, just getting the basic OS up and stable. No. Care to sell the emlinux domain? Sigh, sorry if I came off seeming nasty. I guess we need to get out there and do more PR or ppl will think Lineo or Hard Hat are actually what embedded linux is about. I've been doing embedded systems for 15 years, they don't qualify. ... > I am trying to do my part in a different way, by turning out successful > embedded Linux commerical products to help build credibility. > Good to hear it. -- Cheers, Jeff / VE3DJF Jeff@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. ... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 5 20:50:42 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03977 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:38:23 GMT Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:38:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Durrant To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] Need to order a uCsimm or uClinux CD? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I would like to thank the many people who have placed orders for the uCsimm, uCgardener (kit) and uClinux C. For those who have not placed orders you can visit our web page https://www.ucliunx.com/orderdesk and place the order online. Erik Johansson asks: >BTW, I would like to buy a unit but I live in Sweden wich isn't listed >at FedEx any tips on how I can get hold no a ucSimm anyway? Our web page only lists the prices before adding shipping and handling. After place your order. Paula calculates the cost of shipping and sends an email to each person ordering with in 3 days. In this email Paula quotes the Shipping and handling cost and lets you know how much will be charged on your credit card. For those who would prefer to send a moneyorder,bank draft or cheque please send email to orderdesk@uclinux.com and Paula will help you place your order and provide you additional instructions. Thanks -- Michael Durrant orderdesk@uclinux.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 6 00:55:47 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26256 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:48:37 GMT From: "Stu" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Need to order a uCsimm or uClinux CD? Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:52:17 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bf0f95$0a15ae40$2be166d8@kadath.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com You said you'd post pics of the uCgardener boards when they got back from the board house. When will they be up? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > Behalf Of Michael Durrant > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 1:38 PM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: [uCsimm] Need to order a uCsimm or uClinux CD? > > > I would like to thank the many people who have placed orders for the > uCsimm, uCgardener (kit) and uClinux C. For those who have not > placed orders you can visit our web page > https://www.ucliunx.com/orderdesk and place the order online. > > Erik Johansson asks: > > >BTW, I would like to buy a unit but I live in Sweden wich isn't listed > >at FedEx any tips on how I can get hold no a ucSimm anyway? > > Our web page only lists the prices before adding shipping and handling. > After place your order. Paula calculates the cost of shipping and sends > an email to each person ordering with in 3 days. In this email Paula > quotes the Shipping and handling cost and lets you know how much will > be charged on your credit card. > > For those who would prefer to send a moneyorder,bank draft or cheque > please send email to orderdesk@uclinux.com and Paula will help you > place your order and provide you additional instructions. > > Thanks > -- > Michael Durrant > orderdesk@uclinux.com > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 6 02:36:52 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02206 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:28:05 GMT Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910060229.TAA21837@mx.seanet.com> X-Sender: karllunt@pop.seanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com From: Karl Lunt Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some beginner questions Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I've started to see more requests for information from first-time robot builders. Those interested in how to get started should hit the Seattle Robotics Society web site (http://www.seattlerobotics.org) or my web site (below). Karl At 12:46 PM 10/4/99 -0400, you wrote: >Ok, I'm new to robotics, and I appear to be in over my head.... >Unfortuneately, I selected a robotics project for credit for my degree >that i hope to be done with this semester.... > >So my questions are: >1) What hardware is everyone using to control servos, stepper motors, >etc.. > >2) Would it be a cool idea to come up with a web page for uCsimm >compatable parts, etc. And maybe some schematics and code? > >Thank you for your time. >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > > Karl Lunt karllunt@seanet.com web: http://www.seanet.com/~karllunt "Technology marches on. Over you or through you, take your pick." Attributed to Stewart Brand This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 6 05:15:40 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16516 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:08:05 GMT Message-ID: <004301bf0fb9$21480e40$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <000001bf0f95$0a15ae40$2be166d8@kadath.org> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Need to order a uCsimm or uClinux CD? Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:10:36 -0400 Organization: RyeHAM ARC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Stu asks: > You said you'd post pics of the uCgardener boards when they got back from > the board house. When will they be up? Good point Stu. I will ask Jeff to bring his digital camera in so we can capture a few more shots! -- Michael Durrant RT-CONTROL Inc. mdurrant@rt-control.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 6 05:20:07 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16951 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:13:09 GMT Message-ID: <006101bf0fb9$d6e288c0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <4.2.0.58.19991004121126.00cc5600@mail1.dcomm.net> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some beginner questions Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:15:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >2) Would it be a cool idea to come up with a web page for uCsimm >compatable parts, etc. And maybe some schematics and code? Great idea. I am also hoping that we can set up a public FTP area for incoming code pieces for experimenters. As well as a few pages on the www.uclinux.org web site for hardware stuff. As a couple of Universities are working on robotics projects .. it would be good to put up a status page for their projects as well either on the www.uclinux.org or as links to their own pages at their respective universities. -- Michael Durrant RT-CONTROL Inc. mdurrant@rt-control.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 6 08:29:31 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00826 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:20:56 GMT Message-ID: <19991006082203.98067.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.252.104.195] From: "Mert INCEIPLIK" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some beginner questions Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:22:01 EEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Karl, I'm glad to see you here. I visit your site often. I use your SBASIC for some time. It is great! I hope you do something for this uCLinux stuff too. mert >From: Karl Lunt >Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some beginner questions >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:29:38 -0700 (PDT) > > >I've started to see more requests for information from first-time robot >builders. Those interested in how to get started should hit the Seattle >Robotics Society web site (http://www.seattlerobotics.org) or my web site >(below). > > Karl > > >At 12:46 PM 10/4/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Ok, I'm new to robotics, and I appear to be in over my head.... > >Unfortuneately, I selected a robotics project for credit for my degree > >that i hope to be done with this semester.... > > > >So my questions are: > >1) What hardware is everyone using to control servos, stepper motors, > >etc.. > > > >2) Would it be a cool idea to come up with a web page for uCsimm > >compatable parts, etc. And maybe some schematics and code? > > > >Thank you for your time. > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server >http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > >Karl Lunt karllunt@seanet.com >web: http://www.seanet.com/~karllunt > >"Technology marches on. Over you or through you, >take your pick." Attributed to Stewart Brand > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server >http://www.uClinux.com/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 6 09:25:02 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05570 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:14:33 GMT From: Julian Cassin To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 19:20:21 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Subject: [uCsimm] Re: Need to order a uCsimm or uClinux CD? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hello Michael Before I purchase a uCSimm, what exactly is provided as far as documentation is concerned for hardware interfacing etc... Regards Julian Cassin This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 6 10:36:05 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11833 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:25:26 GMT From: "Stu" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Need to order a uCsimm or uClinux CD? Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:29:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bf0fe5$a1bb5740$2be166d8@kadath.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <004301bf0fb9$21480e40$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Great! Looking forward to it. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > Behalf Of Michael Durrant > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 10:11 PM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Need to order a uCsimm or uClinux CD? > > > Stu asks: > > > You said you'd post pics of the uCgardener boards when they got > back from > > the board house. When will they be up? > > Good point Stu. I will ask Jeff to bring his digital camera in so we can > capture a few more shots! > > -- > Michael Durrant > RT-CONTROL Inc. > mdurrant@rt-control.com > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 6 22:54:54 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12305 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:45:56 GMT Message-ID: <032b01bf104c$c9565360$0aa8a8c0@lj.net> From: "James H. Thompson" To: References: <4.2.0.58.19990826123538.01562780@mail1.dcomm.net> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Hardware Design/Plans Licensing Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:47:33 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Where is the LinuxARM mailing list? Thanks. Jim James H. Thompson jht@lava.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Ewing To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 9:40 AM Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Hardware Design/Plans Licensing > I'm also on the linuxARM mailing list for discussion of Linux on the > StrongARM and ARM processors. Someone a while back sent me a jpg of a > board he designed to run linuxARM and told me he planned on open sourcing > the design complete with a bill of materials, schematics, board art, etc. > > My thought was, Why hasn't someone else done this already?! One of the > best parts of Linux is the cat-is-already-out-of-the-bag situation. It > would be hard to close down the source again after it has been open, and > it's hard to stop the grass-roots movement it has. Now we can see how > dependant Linux is on x86 hardware. Linux is being ported like crazy to > all these other processors, but we need a few good open source hardware > platforms as well. > > > > > > At 10:48 AM 8/26/99 -0700, you wrote: > > >Another serious question: If there's enough interest, would it make > > >sense to create a similar "Open Source" HW design? > > > >I would be extremely interested in this. I could see this growing into > >a family of designs, with different processors and other features. > > > >Although I now do mostly software in the embedded world, my background > >is hardware design. I would love to be involved in this project. (See, > >it's a project already!) > > > >Another serious question: Hasn't someone else done this already? > > > > > > > >If the answer to your question is "yes", and the answer to my > >question is "no", then let's set up a web site, a mailing list, > >and start working! > > > >Michael > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server > >http://www.uClinux.org/simm > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server http://www.uClinux.org/simm > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 6 23:34:05 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15920 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 23:26:37 GMT Message-ID: <19991007011609.B698@fgp.priv.at> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:16:09 +0000 From: "Florian G. Pflug" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] Shipping? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi I know this question is getting anoying... but how is the status of the ucSimm-boards? When can we expect them to be shipped? greetings, Florian Pflug This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 6 23:52:02 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17440 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 23:43:42 GMT Message-ID: <37FBE032.F55F1F28@AdvancedRelay.com> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 16:50:10 -0700 From: "Mahmut C. Genceli" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Hardware Design/Plans Licensing References: <4.2.0.58.19990826123538.01562780@mail1.dcomm.net> <032b01bf104c$c9565360$0aa8a8c0@lj.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ "James H. Thompson" wrote: > > Where is the LinuxARM mailing list? > > Thanks. > > Jim > > James H. Thompson > jht@lava.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Ewing > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 9:40 AM > Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Hardware Design/Plans Licensing > > > I'm also on the linuxARM mailing list for discussion of Linux on the > > StrongARM and ARM processors. Someone a while back sent me a jpg of a > > board he designed to run linuxARM and told me he planned on open sourcing > > the design complete with a bill of materials, schematics, board art, etc. > > > > My thought was, Why hasn't someone else done this already?! One of the > > best parts of Linux is the cat-is-already-out-of-the-bag situation. It > > would be hard to close down the source again after it has been open, and > > it's hard to stop the grass-roots movement it has. Now we can see how > > dependant Linux is on x86 hardware. Linux is being ported like crazy to > > all these other processors, but we need a few good open source hardware > > platforms as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:48 AM 8/26/99 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Another serious question: If there's enough interest, would it make > > > >sense to create a similar "Open Source" HW design? > > > > > >I would be extremely interested in this. I could see this growing into > > >a family of designs, with different processors and other features. > > > > > >Although I now do mostly software in the embedded world, my background > > >is hardware design. I would love to be involved in this project. (See, > > >it's a project already!) > > > > > >Another serious question: Hasn't someone else done this already? > > > > > > > > > > > >If the answer to your question is "yes", and the answer to my > > >question is "no", then let's set up a web site, a mailing list, > > >and start working! > > > > > >Michael > > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server > > >http://www.uClinux.org/simm > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.org list server > http://www.uClinux.org/simm > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 7 03:25:34 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03467 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:15:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: alameda.usc.edu: xuanchen owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:17:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Xuan Chen To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some beginner questions In-Reply-To: <006101bf0fb9$d6e288c0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Michael Durrant wrote: > >2) Would it be a cool idea to come up with a web page for uCsimm > >compatable parts, etc. And maybe some schematics and code? Wonderful...since they are very important for the beginners...like myself... Plus, it may also help to port uclinux to various little device. > > Great idea. I am also hoping that we can set up a public FTP area > for incoming code pieces for experimenters. As well as a few > pages on the www.uclinux.org web site for hardware stuff. I think several universities are doing the experiments on this aspects, it will be of great value to get all the brillient ideas together...:) -chen > > As a couple of Universities are working on robotics projects .. it > would be good to put up a status page for their projects as well > either on the www.uclinux.org or as links to their own pages at > their respective universities. > > -- > Michael Durrant > RT-CONTROL Inc. > mdurrant@rt-control.com > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 7 03:26:55 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03815 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:18:59 GMT Message-ID: <37FC1192.41D1101F@mytoys.com> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 23:20:50 -0400 From: Tom Walsh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Shipping? References: <19991007011609.B698@fgp.priv.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I REALLY REALLY hope that you can ship soon. I am looking to the uCsimm as a proof-of-concept. I have a customer that I have been trying to convince to modernize a design that is 12 years old. Last tuesday we had a formal meeting and they are now seriously considering my proposal to embedd Linux into the new unit, I am competing against QNX and Windows CE. I need a uCsimm to "daze and amaze" them as to how tiny a networked system can be made with Linux and challange thier ideas about WinCE. Can you ship soon? Please?! My window seems to be several more weeks before they will commit to the design concepts. Regards, Tom Walsh "Florian G. Pflug" wrote: > Hi > > I know this question is getting anoying... but how is the status of the > ucSimm-boards? > > When can we expect them to be shipped? > > greetings, Florian Pflug > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 7 07:08:44 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23047 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 06:55:39 GMT Message-ID: <37FC444F.AF5D02A@umbc.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 02:57:19 -0400 From: Jason Hihn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some beginner questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Idealistically, It would be very plug and playable. For instance, when a person is contemplating ordering a simm, they could go to this web resource where they can look at the devices that they can hookup, and the control circuitry. For example, given I have a uCsimm, I would like to use the {i2c bus|rs232|io pins} to control {servo|stepper motor|etc} Along with ic components and relevant uses, if there is no such bus/device combination yet. Should probably be database driven... That way, it's like you can build your whole project online, and even see how much it will cost. I'm sure it would help increase sales... And of course, it should be in the uclinux site... I'd of course recommend PHP and some database. I've not done that web DB stuff, but i'd give it a shot with what little time i have. Anyone have any other ideas/suggestions? Feel free to mail me directly. Xuan Chen wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Michael Durrant wrote: > > > >2) Would it be a cool idea to come up with a web page for uCsimm > > >compatable parts, etc. And maybe some schematics and code? > Wonderful...since they are very important for the beginners...like > myself... Plus, it may also help to port uclinux to various little device. > > > > > Great idea. I am also hoping that we can set up a public FTP area > > for incoming code pieces for experimenters. As well as a few > > pages on the www.uclinux.org web site for hardware stuff. > I think several universities are doing the experiments on this aspects, it > will be of great value to get all the brillient ideas together...:) > > -chen > > > > As a couple of Universities are working on robotics projects .. it > > would be good to put up a status page for their projects as well > > either on the www.uclinux.org or as links to their own pages at > > their respective universities. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 7 11:25:07 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09205 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:28:04 GMT From: "Stu" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Some beginner questions Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:30:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bf10ae$ecea5f80$2be166d8@kadath.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37FC444F.AF5D02A@umbc.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Nothing like that is likely, given the obvious overload of work laid on the uCsimm creators. They have a hard enough time keeping the website updated! If anything like this DOES happen, look for it to happen several months after everyone has their SIMM and the creators have some time on their hands. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > Behalf Of Jason Hihn > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 11:57 PM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some beginner questions > > > Idealistically, > It would be very plug and playable. > For instance, when a person is contemplating ordering a simm, they could > go to this web resource where they can look at the devices that they can > hookup, and the control circuitry. > > For example, given I have a uCsimm, I would like to use the {i2c > bus|rs232|io pins} to control {servo|stepper motor|etc} > Along with ic components and relevant uses, if there is no such > bus/device combination yet. Should probably be database driven... > > That way, it's like you can build your whole project online, and even > see how much it will cost. I'm sure it would help increase sales... > > And of course, it should be in the uclinux site... I'd of course > recommend PHP and some database. I've not done that web DB stuff, but > i'd give it a shot with what little time i have. > > Anyone have any other ideas/suggestions? > Feel free to mail me directly. > > > Xuan Chen wrote: > > > > On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Michael Durrant wrote: > > > > > >2) Would it be a cool idea to come up with a web page for uCsimm > > > >compatable parts, etc. And maybe some schematics and code? > > Wonderful...since they are very important for the beginners...like > > myself... Plus, it may also help to port uclinux to various > little device. > > > > > > > > Great idea. I am also hoping that we can set up a public FTP area > > > for incoming code pieces for experimenters. As well as a few > > > pages on the www.uclinux.org web site for hardware stuff. > > I think several universities are doing the experiments on this > aspects, it > > will be of great value to get all the brillient ideas together...:) > > > > -chen > > > > > > As a couple of Universities are working on robotics projects .. it > > > would be good to put up a status page for their projects as well > > > either on the www.uclinux.org or as links to their own pages at > > > their respective universities. > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 8 07:34:34 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22694 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:23:46 GMT From: Bobby_Lai@acer.com.tw X-Lotus-FromDomain: ACER To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Message-ID: <48256804.0028D349.00@TWTPENS1.ACER.COM.TW> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:27:03 +0800 Subject: [uCsimm] Compile question. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I am trying to compile a vmlinux.rom by myself. I have got the files from www.uclinux.com. My tartget bare-board is Dragon Ball. The error message that I found is : m68k-pic-coff-gcc -O2 -m68000 -g -fno-builtin -msoft-float -DPTHREADS_SYSCALL -D__linux__ -DEMBED -I../../uC-libc/include -I../../uC-libm -I../version -c ls.stamp.c -o ls.stamp.embed.o m68k-pic-coff-ld --embedded-relocs -T ../arch/embed/user.ld ../arch/embed/crt0.o ls.stamp.embed.o ../version/stamp.embed.o ls.embed.o ../build/embed/libsash.a ../../uC-libc/libc.a `m68k-pic-coff-gcc -v 2>&1 | grep specs | sed -e "s/Reading specs from //" | sed -e s/specs/libgcc.a/` -o ../build/embed/ls.coff && ../../coff2flt-0.4/coff2flt -o ../build/embed/ls ../build/embed/ls.coff m68k-pic-coff-gcc -O2 -m68000 -g -fno-builtin -msoft-float -DPTHREADS_SYSCALL -D__linux__ -DEMBED -I../../uC-libc/include -I../../uC-libm -I../version -c shutdown.c -o shutdown.embed.o Touching shutdown.stamp m68k-pic-coff-gcc -O2 -m68000 -g -fno-builtin -msoft-float -DPTHREADS_SYSCALL -D__linux__ -DEMBED -I../../uC-libc/include -I../../uC-libm -I../version -c shutdown.stamp.c -o shutdown.stamp.embed.o m68k-pic-coff-ld --embedded-relocs -T ../arch/embed/user.ld ../arch/embed/crt0.o shutdown.stamp.embed.o ../version/stamp.embed.o shutdown.embed.o ../build/embed/libsash.a ../../uC-libc/libc.a `m68k-pic-coff-gcc -v 2>&1 | grep specs | sed -e "s/Reading specs from //" | sed -e s/specs/libgcc.a/` -o ../build/embed/shutdown.coff && ../../coff2flt-0.4/coff2flt -o ../build/embed/shutdown ../build/embed/shutdown.coff ../../uC-libc/libc.a(setpgrp.o)(.text+0xe):setpgrp.c: undefined reference to `d1' ../../uC-libc/libc.a(setpgrp.o)(.text+0x18):setpgrp.c: undefined reference to `d2' make[2]: *** [../build/embed/shutdown] Error 1 rm sh.stamp.c ls.stamp.c df.stamp.c ps.stamp.c shutdown.stamp.c make[2]: Leaving directory `/partb/Bobby/PDALinux/pilot/shell' make[1]: *** [../build/embed/ls] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/partb/Bobby/PDALinux/pilot/romdisk' make: *** [romdisk/romdisk.s19] Error 2 Could some one tell me what can I do ? Do some problems in my libc.a file ?? With the best regards, Bobby Lai. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sun Oct 10 13:27:15 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14873 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:15:50 GMT Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:17:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: Erik Johansson X-Sender: m10675@atle To: ucsimm@uClinux.com cc: erik@tiq.com Subject: [uCsimm] Keyboard control Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I would really like to interface a standard PC keyboard (AT?), I've got no idea where to find info. So anyone who thinks it'd be possible. /emj This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sun Oct 10 18:36:44 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08906 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:38 GMT Message-ID: <000701bf134b$c81111a0$0800005a@bellsouth.net> From: "Will" To: References: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Keyboard control Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:17:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Here are some links to get you started. I also found some information on how to connect an AT keyboard to a basic stamp at one point, but I lost that link. Good description of the protocol, with uC interface information. http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/8302/keybrd.htm Example that uses AT keyboard and 68k chip. http://www.ezl.com/~rsch/projects.htm Text description of protocol. http://www.hth.com/filelibrary/TXTFILES/keyboard.txt A keyboard FAQ http://www.repairfaq.org/filipg/LINK/PORTS/F_Keyboard_FAQ.html Good luck. -Will ----- Original Message ----- From: Erik Johansson To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 9:17 AM Subject: [uCsimm] Keyboard control > > I would really like to interface a standard PC keyboard (AT?), I've got no > idea where to find info. So anyone who thinks it'd be possible. > > /emj > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 04:35:21 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30341 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 04:24:04 GMT Message-ID: <380166E4.7D4E6019@mytoys.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:26:12 -0400 From: Tom Walsh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ucsimm@uClinux.org" Subject: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hello all, I have a meeting on this Tuesday with a client. We are going through the concept stage for a new product and are in the process of laying out the "wish list". I have been using Linux for about 3 years now, am an embedded designer and am convinced that Open Source software is the way to go. I have to fight WinCE, the owner of the company is simply infatuated with his HP PDA that runs WinCE version 2 and is wondering why we cannot use WinCE as the O/S. The product will carry > 100M Flash disk, Pentium based, a couple DIMM sockets, color VGA LCD, etc.. You know, an SBC. The question is, do you know any compelling arguments in favor of using another O/S (even QNX) instead of WinCE. The guy is an engineer, so no BS arguments will do, also he is hesitant about paying royalties on distro. Any bad experiences / limitations with WinCE??? TIA, Tom @mytoys.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 05:30:02 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02660 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 05:20:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: ipanema.usc.edu: xuanchen owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:23:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Xuan Chen To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] Minimum memory required for uclinux? In-Reply-To: <000701bf134b$c81111a0$0800005a@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com What is the min memory required for us to port uclinux to palm III? Is 4M palm IIIx enough if compatible? Thanks, -chen This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 05:34:49 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03118 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 05:25:29 GMT Message-ID: <38017713.4A3C9583@cyberhighway.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:35:15 -0700 From: Ben Greear Organization: ScrySOFT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com CC: "ucsimm@uClinux.org" Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? References: <380166E4.7D4E6019@mytoys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Tom Walsh wrote: > > Hello all, > > I have a meeting on this Tuesday with a client. We are going through > the concept stage for a new product and are in the process of laying out > the "wish list". I have been using Linux for about 3 years now, am an > embedded designer and am convinced that Open Source software is the way > to go. I have to fight WinCE, the owner of the company is simply > infatuated with his HP PDA that runs WinCE version 2 and is wondering > why we cannot use WinCE as the O/S. The product will carry > 100M Flash > disk, Pentium based, a couple DIMM sockets, color VGA LCD, etc.. You > know, an SBC. Why not put a full-blown LINUX distro on there? Cut out the stuff you don't need of course...but it sounds like you have more than enough horse-power to run regular linux just fine. There might be problems with getting a decent Xconfig working though...don't know much about that end of the deal... Ben > > The question is, do you know any compelling arguments in favor of > using another O/S (even QNX) instead of WinCE. The guy is an engineer, > so no BS arguments will do, also he is hesitant about paying royalties > on distro. Any bad experiences / limitations with WinCE??? > > TIA, > > Tom @mytoys.com > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ -- Ben Greear (greear@cyberhighway.net) http://scry.wanfear.com/~greear Author of ScryMUD: scry.wanfear.com 4444 (Released under GPL) http://scry.wanfear.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 05:53:10 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05003 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 05:44:12 GMT X-Lotus-FromDomain: 3COM From: "John Gay" To: Tom Walsh cc: "ucsimm@uClinux.org" Message-ID: <80256807.0020ACE3.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 06:45:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Don't mind my address, I'm just a satisfied user, but Palm OS is much better and smaller than WinCE. The first argument is the small size. Palm OS fits in less than 1M of flash. The API's are much easier to use and more applicable to hand-held devices. Therefore, applications written for Palm are much smaller. compare the few applications that have been ported to both platforms for size. Third, Palm accounts for the majority of the PDA market, WinCE is a definite minority in this field. There are literally thousands of applications already available for the Palm OS. I realise that Palm is not exactly 'Open Source', but licences ARE available, and 3COM doesn't have a reputation of buying out or shutting down it competition, it welcomes it. Competition is what drives improvements. I would prefer an 'Open Source' OS as well, but the front-end and applications for uCLinux are probably quite some time away, as yet. Palm OS would be an easier, quicker solution to trying to get uCLinux to suit your requirements right now. Although I'm looking forward to the day I can pull out my PDA, slip on the display shades and start using WindowMaker on a virtual display with a simple joystick interface while walking down the street! Again, I must re-iterate, I am NOT a sales person for Palm or in any way connected with sales or licensing. I just enjoy the Palm devices I've bought and have been following it's developments for the last two years or so. If you are interested in licensing info, please check with 3COM directly. www.3com.com would probably be a good starting point. I hope this helps. Cheers, John Gay This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 06:35:50 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08703 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 06:25:57 GMT Message-ID: <01BF13C2.74E4D440@smithwicks.softsys.co.at> From: Erwin Authried To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Keyboard control Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:27:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BF13C2.74E4D440" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BF13C2.74E4D440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's a nice application note (an434.pdf) from Philips, "Connecting a PC keyboard to the I2C bus", as someone has pointed out on this list some time ago. It uses a 87C751 low-cost uC, but I think that almost any uC can be used for this task, there are only 4 I/O pins needed. I hope it isn't already mentioned in this nice collection of links. Regards, Erwin Will[SMTP:gte630e@prism.gatech.edu] wrote: > Here are some links to get you started. I also found some information on > how to connect an AT keyboard to a basic stamp at one point, but I lost that > link. > > Good description of the protocol, with uC interface information. > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/8302/keybrd.htm > > Example that uses AT keyboard and 68k chip. > http://www.ezl.com/~rsch/projects.htm > > Text description of protocol. > http://www.hth.com/filelibrary/TXTFILES/keyboard.txt > > A keyboard FAQ > http://www.repairfaq.org/filipg/LINK/PORTS/F_Keyboard_FAQ.html > > Good luck. > -Will > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Erik Johansson > To: > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 9:17 AM > Subject: [uCsimm] Keyboard control > > > > > > I would really like to interface a standard PC keyboard (AT?), I've got no > > idea where to find info. 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To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:39:26 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <380166E4.7D4E6019@mytoys.com> from "Tom Walsh" at Oct 11, 99 00:26:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hello Tom, > The question is, do you know any compelling arguments in favor of > using another O/S (even QNX) instead of WinCE. The guy is an engineer, > so no BS arguments will do, also he is hesitant about paying royalties > on distro. Any bad experiences / limitations with WinCE??? My experience with WinCE is limited, but I'll tell you what I found. I hate the programming model. Everything requires a window resource, even if it has not GUI interaction, so that it can receive events. Even you don't like the Win32 programming model, your going to hate WinCE. The Win32/WinCE programming model is not appealing from an aesthetic standpoint. More compelling, the "real-time" capabilities of WinCE were non-existant. I usually received interrupts long after they had actually been issued by hardware. And I could never get the interrupt latency to a low level. This problem isn't inherent only to WinCE, but to all multitasking OS's, including Linux. But QNX, or Linux with the RTLinux patch, gives much better results than you could ever hope for with WinCE. A note of caution when developing in the WinCE emulator provided by Microsoft. The emulator will actually run all Win32 function calls, even those not included in the WinCE subset. It can be quite troublesome to track down why your program works in the emulator but exceptions on a real device. --- Geoffrey Wossum gpw0341@omega.uta.edu Project AKO - http://rover1.uta.edu/~ako This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 07:49:29 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15282 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:41:10 GMT From: greg@kroah.com (Greg KH) To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Cc: tom@mytoys.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:47:44 GMT Message-ID: <38049468.49536609@mail.pond.net> References: <380166E4.7D4E6019@mytoys.com> In-Reply-To: <380166E4.7D4E6019@mytoys.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ampr.rt-control.com id HAA15271 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com A friend that had to implement WinCE into a new product, had two things to tell me on the subject: - watch out for the royalties. They were huge, and the upfront cost was also rather large, unless you were going to sell millions. - porting WinCE to new electronics was a major pain. He never wants to EVER have to do anything that ugly and hairy again. Since his company was not a "big" player, he had a very hard time getting anything close to support from MS for their porting effort. He was using a "supported" microcontroller, the problem was the device drivers to talk to their hardware. I think Dr. Dobbs had an article about doing WinCE drivers about a year ago. Don't know how reliable this is, but thought I would let you know. Let us/me know how it turns out. greg k-h greg@kroah.com p.s. I think I am going to have to go down this path where I work also, luckily, some people here have a huge fear of anything from MS, so my push for embedded Linux shouldn't be that tough. On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:26:12 -0400, you wrote: >Hello all, > > I have a meeting on this Tuesday with a client. We are going through >the concept stage for a new product and are in the process of laying out >the "wish list". I have been using Linux for about 3 years now, am an >embedded designer and am convinced that Open Source software is the way >to go. I have to fight WinCE, the owner of the company is simply >infatuated with his HP PDA that runs WinCE version 2 and is wondering >why we cannot use WinCE as the O/S. The product will carry > 100M Flash >disk, Pentium based, a couple DIMM sockets, color VGA LCD, etc.. You >know, an SBC. > > The question is, do you know any compelling arguments in favor of >using another O/S (even QNX) instead of WinCE. The guy is an engineer, >so no BS arguments will do, also he is hesitant about paying royalties >on distro. Any bad experiences / limitations with WinCE??? > >TIA, > >Tom @mytoys.com > > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 08:48:57 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20178 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:36:37 GMT Message-ID: <3801AFAC.8D5F91FE@insnet.net> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:36:44 +0100 From: Leigh Porter MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com CC: "ucsimm@uClinux.org" Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? References: <380166E4.7D4E6019@mytoys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Tom Walsh wrote: > The question is, do you know any compelling arguments in favor of > using another O/S (even QNX) instead of WinCE. The guy is an engineer, > so no BS arguments will do, also he is hesitant about paying royalties > on distro. Any bad experiences / limitations with WinCE??? He cannot be much of an engineer if he wants to use WinCE because it looks damn fine and dashing on his HP thing. If he is an engineer, he would start with a spec of what he wants the device to do then take the specs of ALL avaliable solutions from Linux to WinCE, QNX etc and see which one matches up best technically/financially/etc.. Though if it's speced as above, why not just run Linux ;-) No royalties, no licensing problems etc etc. QNX is damn fine too though, they do an impressive demo at www.qnx.com -- Leigh This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 11:33:53 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02396 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:24:40 GMT Message-ID: <3801C940.E49FBB3B@home.se> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:25:52 +0200 From: mathias lewin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? References: <380166E4.7D4E6019@mytoys.com> <38017713.4A3C9583@cyberhighway.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Ben Greear wrote: > > Tom Walsh wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > I have a meeting on this Tuesday with a client. We are going through > > the concept stage for a new product and are in the process of laying out > > the "wish list". I have been using Linux for about 3 years now, am an > > embedded designer and am convinced that Open Source software is the way > > to go. I have to fight WinCE, the owner of the company is simply > > infatuated with his HP PDA that runs WinCE version 2 and is wondering > > why we cannot use WinCE as the O/S. The product will carry > 100M Flash > > disk, Pentium based, a couple DIMM sockets, color VGA LCD, etc.. You > > know, an SBC. > > Why not put a full-blown LINUX distro on there? Cut out the stuff you > don't need of course...but it sounds like you have more than enough > horse-power to run regular linux just fine. There might be problems with > getting a decent Xconfig working though...don't know much about that > end of the deal... > I read about the company Axis (www.axis.com); they supposedly use Linux in their camera servers, this on a hw platform much smaller then above. They (Axis) said that the kernel they used required about 250k's flash and about 100k's ram. Further, they rejected CE with the reason of CE being made for PDA's, not server applications.. I won't stand up for any of the above, it's just something I read in a mag a few months ago.. /Mathias This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 11:40:10 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02798 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:29:09 GMT Message-ID: <3801CBE8.DA771037@technocean.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:37:12 -0400 From: Greg Maki X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? References: <380166E4.7D4E6019@mytoys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com There's a write-up about WinCE in this month's Circuit Cellar INK magazine. http://www.circuitcellar.com/TOC-frame.htm It's in an article entitled "What's in a Name?" Hope this gives you some ammo! Greg Maki Tom Walsh wrote: > > Hello all, > > I have a meeting on this Tuesday with a client. We are going through > the concept stage for a new product and are in the process of laying out > the "wish list". I have been using Linux for about 3 years now, am an > embedded designer and am convinced that Open Source software is the way > to go. I have to fight WinCE, the owner of the company is simply > infatuated with his HP PDA that runs WinCE version 2 and is wondering > why we cannot use WinCE as the O/S. The product will carry > 100M Flash > disk, Pentium based, a couple DIMM sockets, color VGA LCD, etc.. You > know, an SBC. > > The question is, do you know any compelling arguments in favor of > using another O/S (even QNX) instead of WinCE. The guy is an engineer, > so no BS arguments will do, also he is hesitant about paying royalties > on distro. Any bad experiences / limitations with WinCE??? > > TIA, > > Tom @mytoys.com > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ -- -------------------------- Greg Maki Electronic Engineer Technocean, Inc. 820 NE 24th Lane, Unit 112 Cape Coral, FL 33909 USA Phone : (941) 772-9067 FAX : (941) 574-5613 gmaki@technocean.com http://www.technocean.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 11:54:40 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04133 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:44:36 GMT Message-ID: <3801CE0D.CBF66C1C@mytoys.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:46:21 -0400 From: Tom Walsh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? References: <380166E4.7D4E6019@mytoys.com> <38017713.4A3C9583@cyberhighway.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Ben Greear wrote: > > Why not put a full-blown LINUX distro on there? Cut out the stuff you > don't need of course...but it sounds like you have more than enough > horse-power to run regular linux just fine. There might be problems with > getting a decent Xconfig working though...don't know much about that > end of the deal... > Yes, that is exactly the plan :^) Tom This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 12:15:04 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05913 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:04:44 GMT Message-ID: <3801D2DB.372E5E@mytoys.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:06:51 -0400 From: Tom Walsh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? References: <380166E4.7D4E6019@mytoys.com> <3801AFAC.8D5F91FE@insnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Leigh Porter wrote: > Tom Walsh wrote: > > > The question is, do you know any compelling arguments in favor of > > using another O/S (even QNX) instead of WinCE. The guy is an engineer, > > so no BS arguments will do, also he is hesitant about paying royalties > > on distro. Any bad experiences / limitations with WinCE??? > > He cannot be much of an engineer if he wants to use WinCE because it looks > damn fine and dashing on his HP thing. If he is an engineer, he would start with > a spec of what he wants the device to do then take the specs of ALL avaliable > solutions from Linux to WinCE, QNX etc and see which one matches up best > technically/financially/etc.. That would make too much sense. Customers seem to fall in love with Micro$oft and like a lover, believe everything that they are told. Yes a full distro of Linux is what I plan for the unit. Imagine it! We sell each unit with an RJ11 jack & a modem, if the customer gets in trouble, we tell him to plug in a TelCo line, and click on this menu item... then we telnet into the unit and look around! Ohhhhhhhhh! That though feels sooooo good! ;^) Tom This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 12:17:58 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06211 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:08:06 GMT From: et@enterprise.net Message-Id: <199910111207.MAA06199@ampr.rt-control.com> To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:08:36 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [uCsimm] argh In-reply-to: <37F8DF89.DB6BF2CF@cisco.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com On 4 Oct 99, at 10:10, Vladimir A. Gurevich wrote: > > d> Finally, how to generate a vm-linux.s19 file? I get some error > > when I try it. > > You might want to wait a little, since the new release was expected > this weekend... OK, is the new release there yet? There are some files dated 5.10.99, but with filenames like {HYPERLINK "uC-src.310899.tar.gz"}uC-src.310899.tar.gz - uhmm.. New? Cheers, Evan. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 13:46:32 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13983 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:35:34 GMT From: mailer-daemon%www.geis.com%tyco5#@tycoint.com Message-Id: <199910111337.NAA06363@rockdmz1.geis.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 99 13:22:00 GMT To: ucsimm@uClinux.com X-tycoint-QK-From: MAILER-DAEMON@WWW.GEIS.COM@TYCO5# X-tycoint-QK-Id: 9923694 X-tycoint-Gateway-Id: 780107 X-Attachments: mimepart.002; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=MIME.boundary.780107.939649035 Subject: [uCsimm] Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com --MIME.boundary.780107.939649035 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ********************************************** ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** ********************************************** The original message was received at Mon, 11 Oct 1999 03:06:16 -0400 (EDT) from rockdmz1-prv.md.geis.com [204.90.244.37] ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... 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Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Will keep trying until message is 5 days old Content-Type: message/delivery-status ************************************************* **** **** **** ATTACHING MIME BODY PART **** **** NAME:mimepart.002 **** **** ATTACH SUCCESSFUL **** **** **** ************************************************* Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from rockdmz1.geis.com (rockdmz1-prv.md.geis.com [204.90.244.37]) by rock558.md.geis.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA18823 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 03:06:16 -0400 (EDT) From: ucsimm%uclinux.com%tyco#@tycoint.com Received: (from uucp@localhost) by rockdmz1.geis.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03152 for russellp@tycoint.com.au; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:11:58 GMT Message-Id: <199910110711.HAA03152@rockdmz1.geis.com> Received: by (tycoint.)rockdmz1.geis.com ( 2rem/1.44 ) ; Mon, 11 Oct 99 07:11:58 GMT ( from INTERNET# ; Mon, 11 Oct 99 07:11:54 GMT ) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 99 04:26:00 GMT To: ucsimm%uclinux.org%tyco#@tycoint.com Cc: russellp@tycoint.com.au X-tycoint-QK-From: UCSIMM@UCLINUX.COM@TYCO# X-tycoint-QK-Id: 7968770 X-tycoint-Gateway-Id: 131697 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? Hello all, I have a meeting on this Tuesday with a client. We are going through the concept stage for a new product and are in the process of laying out the "wish list". I have been using Linux for about 3 years now, am an embedded designer and am convinced that Open Source software is the way to go. I have to fight WinCE, the owner of the company is simply infatuated with his HP PDA that runs WinCE version 2 and is wondering why we cannot use WinCE as the O/S. The product will carry > 100M Flash disk, Pentium based, a couple DIMM sockets, color VGA LCD, etc.. You know, an SBC. The question is, do you know any compelling arguments in favor of using another O/S (even QNX) instead of WinCE. The guy is an engineer, so no BS arguments will do, also he is hesitant about paying royalties on distro. Any bad experiences / limitations with WinCE??? TIA, Tom @mytoys.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ --MIME.boundary.780107.939649035 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="mimepart.002" Content-Description: base64 encoded file Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mimepart.002" UmVwb3J0aW5nLU1UQTogZG5zOyByb2NrNTU4Lm1kLmdlaXMuY29tCkFycml2YWwtRGF0ZTog TW9uLCAxMSBPY3QgMTk5OSAwMzowNjoxNiAtMDQwMCAoRURUKQoKRmluYWwtUmVjaXBpZW50 OiBSRkM4MjI7IHJ1c3NlbGxwQHR5Y29pbnQuY29tLmF1CkFjdGlvbjogZGVsYXllZApTdGF0 dXM6IDQuNC4xClJlbW90ZS1NVEE6IEROUzsgd2FycmFuZS5jb25uZWN0LmNvbS5hdQpMYXN0 LUF0dGVtcHQtRGF0ZTogTW9uLCAxMSBPY3QgMTk5OSAwOToyMjo0MiAtMDQwMCAoRURUKQpX aWxsLVJldHJ5LVVudGlsOiBTYXQsIDE2IE9jdCAxOTk5IDAzOjA2OjE2IC0wNDAwIChFRFQp Cgo= --MIME.boundary.780107.939649035-- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 14:18:57 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16909 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:08:34 GMT From: "Tom Zagotta" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:07:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <3801CBE8.DA771037@technocean.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Greg, Is is not possible to read this article on-line, or am I missing something? - Tom > There's a write-up about WinCE in this month's Circuit Cellar INK > magazine. > > http://www.circuitcellar.com/TOC-frame.htm > > It's in an article entitled "What's in a Name?" > > Hope this gives you some ammo! > > Greg Maki This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 15:10:57 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21499 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:00:44 GMT From: mailer-daemon%www.geis.com%tyco3#@tycoint.com Message-Id: <199910111502.PAA04488@rockdmz1.geis.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 99 14:30:00 GMT To: ucsimm@uClinux.com X-tycoint-QK-From: MAILER-DAEMON@WWW.GEIS.COM@TYCO3# X-tycoint-QK-Id: 5328331 X-tycoint-Gateway-Id: 133542 X-Attachments: mimepart.002; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=MIME.boundary.133542.939654152 Subject: [uCsimm] Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com --MIME.boundary.133542.939654152 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ********************************************** ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** ********************************************** The original message was received at Mon, 11 Oct 1999 04:38:19 -0400 (EDT) from rockdmz1-prv.md.geis.com [204.90.244.37] ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... 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Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Will keep trying until message is 5 days old Content-Type: message/delivery-status ************************************************* **** **** **** ATTACHING MIME BODY PART **** **** NAME:mimepart.002 **** **** ATTACH SUCCESSFUL **** **** **** ************************************************* Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from rockdmz1.geis.com (rockdmz1-prv.md.geis.com [204.90.244.37]) by rock558.md.geis.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA23371 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 04:38:19 -0400 (EDT) From: ucsimm%uclinux.com%internet#@tycoint.com Received: (from uucp@localhost) by rockdmz1.geis.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23255 for russellp@tycoint.com.au; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:44:00 GMT Message-Id: <199910110844.IAA23255@rockdmz1.geis.com> Received: by (tycoint.)rockdmz1.geis.com ( 2rem/1.44 ) ; Mon, 11 Oct 99 08:44:00 GMT ( from INTERNET# ; Mon, 11 Oct 99 08:42:50 GMT ) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 99 05:45:00 GMT To: tom%mytoys.com%internet#@tycoint.com Cc: russellp@tycoint.com.au, ucsimm%uclinux.org%internet#@tycoint.com X-tycoint-QK-From: UCSIMM@UCLINUX.COM@INTERNET# X-tycoint-QK-Id: 6812662 X-tycoint-Gateway-Id: 131949 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? Don't mind my address, I'm just a satisfied user, but Palm OS is much better and smaller than WinCE. The first argument is the small size. Palm OS fits in less than 1M of flash. The API's are much easier to use and more applicable to hand-held devices. Therefore, applications written for Palm are much smaller. compare the few applications that have been ported to both platforms for size. Third, Palm accounts for the majority of the PDA market, WinCE is a definite minority in this field. There are literally thousands of applications already available for the Palm OS. I realise that Palm is not exactly 'Open Source', but licences ARE available, and 3COM doesn't have a reputation of buying out or shutting down it competition, it welcomes it. Competition is what drives improvements. I would prefer an 'Open Source' OS as well, but the front-end and applications for uCLinux are probably quite some time away, as yet. Palm OS would be an easier, quicker solution to trying to get uCLinux to suit your requirements right now. Although I'm looking forward to the day I can pull out my PDA, slip on the display shades and start using WindowMaker on a virtual display with a simple joystick interface while walking down the street! Again, I must re-iterate, I am NOT a sales person for Palm or in any way connected with sales or licensing. I just enjoy the Palm devices I've bought and have been following it's developments for the last two years or so. If you are interested in licensing info, please check with 3COM directly. www.3com.com would probably be a good starting point. I hope this helps. Cheers, John Gay This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ --MIME.boundary.133542.939654152 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="mimepart.002" Content-Description: base64 encoded file Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mimepart.002" UmVwb3J0aW5nLU1UQTogZG5zOyByb2NrNTU4Lm1kLmdlaXMuY29tCkFycml2YWwtRGF0ZTog TW9uLCAxMSBPY3QgMTk5OSAwNDozODoxOSAtMDQwMCAoRURUKQoKRmluYWwtUmVjaXBpZW50 OiBSRkM4MjI7IHJ1c3NlbGxwQHR5Y29pbnQuY29tLmF1CkFjdGlvbjogZGVsYXllZApTdGF0 dXM6IDQuNC4xClJlbW90ZS1NVEE6IEROUzsgd2FycmFuZS5jb25uZWN0LmNvbS5hdQpMYXN0 LUF0dGVtcHQtRGF0ZTogTW9uLCAxMSBPY3QgMTk5OSAxMDozMDozNyAtMDQwMCAoRURUKQpX aWxsLVJldHJ5LVVudGlsOiBTYXQsIDE2IE9jdCAxOTk5IDA0OjM4OjE5IC0wNDAwIChFRFQp Cgo= --MIME.boundary.133542.939654152-- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 15:42:17 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24478 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:34:01 GMT From: mailer-daemon%www.geis.com%tyco3#@tycoint.com Message-Id: <199910111535.PAA15916@rockdmz1.geis.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 99 14:43:00 GMT To: ucsimm@uClinux.com X-tycoint-QK-From: MAILER-DAEMON@WWW.GEIS.COM@TYCO3# X-tycoint-QK-Id: 3215397 X-tycoint-Gateway-Id: 23069 X-Attachments: mimepart.002; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=MIME.boundary.23069.939656153 Subject: [uCsimm] Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com --MIME.boundary.23069.939656153 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ********************************************** ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** ********************************************** The original message was received at Mon, 11 Oct 1999 03:28:01 -0400 (EDT) from rockdmz1-prv.md.geis.com [204.90.244.37] ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... 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Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Will keep trying until message is 5 days old Content-Type: message/delivery-status ************************************************* **** **** **** ATTACHING MIME BODY PART **** **** NAME:mimepart.002 **** **** ATTACH SUCCESSFUL **** **** **** ************************************************* Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from rockdmz1.geis.com (rockdmz1-prv.md.geis.com [204.90.244.37]) by rock558.md.geis.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA19779 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 03:28:01 -0400 (EDT) From: ucsimm%uclinux.com%tyco4#@tycoint.com Received: (from uucp@localhost) by rockdmz1.geis.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07827 for russellp@tycoint.com.au; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:33:43 GMT Message-Id: <199910110733.HAA07827@rockdmz1.geis.com> Received: by (tycoint.)rockdmz1.geis.com ( 2rem/1.44 ) ; Mon, 11 Oct 99 07:33:43 GMT ( from INTERNET# ; Mon, 11 Oct 99 07:33:40 GMT ) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 99 05:23:00 GMT To: ucsimm%uclinux.com%tyco4#@tycoint.com Cc: russellp@tycoint.com.au X-tycoint-QK-From: UCSIMM@UCLINUX.COM@TYCO4# X-tycoint-QK-Id: 4331280 X-tycoint-Gateway-Id: 131757 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [uCsimm] Minimum memory required for uclinux? What is the min memory required for us to port uclinux to palm III? Is 4M palm IIIx enough if compatible? Thanks, -chen This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ --MIME.boundary.23069.939656153 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="mimepart.002" Content-Description: base64 encoded file Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mimepart.002" UmVwb3J0aW5nLU1UQTogZG5zOyByb2NrNTU4Lm1kLmdlaXMuY29tCkFycml2YWwtRGF0ZTog TW9uLCAxMSBPY3QgMTk5OSAwMzoyODowMSAtMDQwMCAoRURUKQoKRmluYWwtUmVjaXBpZW50 OiBSRkM4MjI7IHJ1c3NlbGxwQHR5Y29pbnQuY29tLmF1CkFjdGlvbjogZGVsYXllZApTdGF0 dXM6IDQuNC4xClJlbW90ZS1NVEE6IEROUzsgd2FycmFuZS5jb25uZWN0LmNvbS5hdQpMYXN0 LUF0dGVtcHQtRGF0ZTogTW9uLCAxMSBPY3QgMTk5OSAxMDo0MzowNyAtMDQwMCAoRURUKQpX aWxsLVJldHJ5LVVudGlsOiBTYXQsIDE2IE9jdCAxOTk5IDAzOjI4OjAxIC0wNDAwIChFRFQp Cgo= --MIME.boundary.23069.939656153-- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 15:48:33 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25013 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:39:56 GMT From: ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov Message-ID: <19991011154150.28238.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> Subject: [uCsimm] troubleshooting customer's computers To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:41:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3801D2DB.372E5E@mytoys.com> from "Tom Walsh" at Oct 11, 99 08:06:51 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Yes a full distro of Linux > is what I plan for the unit. Imagine it! We sell each unit > with an RJ11 jack & a modem, if the customer gets in trouble, > we tell him to plug in a TelCo line, and click on this menu > item... then we telnet into the unit and look around! ^^^^^^ You mean "ssh". - Larry Doolittle This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 15:48:56 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25049 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:40:19 GMT From: mailer-daemon%www.geis.com%tyco#@tycoint.com Message-Id: <199910111542.PAA17595@rockdmz1.geis.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 99 14:29:00 GMT To: ucsimm@uClinux.com X-tycoint-QK-From: MAILER-DAEMON@WWW.GEIS.COM@TYCO# X-tycoint-QK-Id: 4825411 X-tycoint-Gateway-Id: 780404 X-Attachments: mimepart.002; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=MIME.boundary.780404.939656528 Subject: [uCsimm] Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com --MIME.boundary.780404.939656528 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ********************************************** ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** ********************************************** The original message was received at Mon, 11 Oct 1999 03:55:10 -0400 (EDT) from rockdmz1-prv.md.geis.com [204.90.244.37] ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... 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Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Will keep trying until message is 5 days old Content-Type: message/delivery-status ************************************************* **** **** **** ATTACHING MIME BODY PART **** **** NAME:mimepart.002 **** **** ATTACH SUCCESSFUL **** **** **** ************************************************* Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from rockdmz1.geis.com (rockdmz1-prv.md.geis.com [204.90.244.37]) by rock558.md.geis.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA21032 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 03:55:10 -0400 (EDT) From: ucsimm%uclinux.com%tyco#@tycoint.com Received: (from uucp@localhost) by rockdmz1.geis.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14070 for russellp@tycoint.com.au; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:00:50 GMT Message-Id: <199910110800.IAA14070@rockdmz1.geis.com> Received: by (tycoint.)rockdmz1.geis.com ( 2rem/1.44 ) ; Mon, 11 Oct 99 08:00:50 GMT ( from INTERNET# ; Mon, 11 Oct 99 08:00:37 GMT ) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 99 05:35:00 GMT To: ucsimm%uclinux.com%tyco#@tycoint.com Cc: russellp@tycoint.com.au, ucsimm%uclinux.org%tyco#@tycoint.com X-tycoint-QK-From: UCSIMM@UCLINUX.COM@TYCO# X-tycoint-QK-Id: 2548206 X-tycoint-Gateway-Id: 131802 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? Tom Walsh wrote: > > Hello all, > > I have a meeting on this Tuesday with a client. We are going through > the concept stage for a new product and are in the process of laying out > the "wish list". I have been using Linux for about 3 years now, am an > embedded designer and am convinced that Open Source software is the way > to go. I have to fight WinCE, the owner of the company is simply > infatuated with his HP PDA that runs WinCE version 2 and is wondering > why we cannot use WinCE as the O/S. The product will carry > 100M Flash > disk, Pentium based, a couple DIMM sockets, color VGA LCD, etc.. You > know, an SBC. Why not put a full-blown LINUX distro on there? Cut out the stuff you don't need of course...but it sounds like you have more than enough horse-power to run regular linux just fine. There might be problems with getting a decent Xconfig working though...don't know much about that end of the deal... Ben > > The question is, do you know any compelling arguments in favor of > using another O/S (even QNX) instead of WinCE. The guy is an engineer, > so no BS arguments will do, also he is hesitant about paying royalties > on distro. Any bad experiences / limitations with WinCE??? > > TIA, > > Tom @mytoys.com > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ -- Ben Greear (greear@cyberhighway.net) http://scry.wanfear.com/~greear Author of ScryMUD: scry.wanfear.com 4444 (Released under GPL) http://scry.wanfear.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ --MIME.boundary.780404.939656528 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="mimepart.002" Content-Description: base64 encoded file Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mimepart.002" UmVwb3J0aW5nLU1UQTogZG5zOyByb2NrNTU4Lm1kLmdlaXMuY29tCkFycml2YWwtRGF0ZTog TW9uLCAxMSBPY3QgMTk5OSAwMzo1NToxMCAtMDQwMCAoRURUKQoKRmluYWwtUmVjaXBpZW50 OiBSRkM4MjI7IHJ1c3NlbGxwQHR5Y29pbnQuY29tLmF1CkFjdGlvbjogZGVsYXllZApTdGF0 dXM6IDQuNC4xClJlbW90ZS1NVEE6IEROUzsgd2FycmFuZS5jb25uZWN0LmNvbS5hdQpMYXN0 LUF0dGVtcHQtRGF0ZTogTW9uLCAxMSBPY3QgMTk5OSAxMDoyOToxMCAtMDQwMCAoRURUKQpX aWxsLVJldHJ5LVVudGlsOiBTYXQsIDE2IE9jdCAxOTk5IDAzOjU1OjEwIC0wNDAwIChFRFQp Cgo= --MIME.boundary.780404.939656528-- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 16:13:54 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27212 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:04:51 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991011115228.00a31820@cpcug.org> X-Sender: stingley@cpcug.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:52:28 -0400 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com From: Patrick Stingley Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? In-Reply-To: <380166E4.7D4E6019@mytoys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I did the same sort of evaluation a few months ago and found that the CE OS is made so that portions that you don't need can be eliminated, thus making if faster and more efficient than it is for instance on the HP. However, my feeling from others who worked with it as well as other RTOSs is that it's still pretty CPU intensive. I don't know about your application, but in my case, we need as much CPU for our own purposes as possible and we couldn't spare the extra cycles for CE. I also evaluated QNX but was put off by the $70K required to buy the development enviroment and the distribution licenses. Not that $70K is terrible if you are selling thousands of these devices, but it was pretty steep for a prototype. Hope this helps, Pat Stingley At 12:26 AM 10/11/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hello all, > > I have a meeting on this Tuesday with a client. We are going through >the concept stage for a new product and are in the process of laying out >the "wish list". I have been using Linux for about 3 years now, am an >embedded designer and am convinced that Open Source software is the way >to go. I have to fight WinCE, the owner of the company is simply >infatuated with his HP PDA that runs WinCE version 2 and is wondering >why we cannot use WinCE as the O/S. The product will carry > 100M Flash >disk, Pentium based, a couple DIMM sockets, color VGA LCD, etc.. You >know, an SBC. > > The question is, do you know any compelling arguments in favor of >using another O/S (even QNX) instead of WinCE. The guy is an engineer, >so no BS arguments will do, also he is hesitant about paying royalties >on distro. Any bad experiences / limitations with WinCE??? > >TIA, > >Tom @mytoys.com > > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 16:22:40 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27747 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:10:54 GMT From: "David Siebert" To: Subject: [uCsimm] RE: [cubism] Any Wince slayers? Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:12:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <380166E4.7D4E6019@mytoys.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com 1. Cost: development tools and the OS are free for LINUX. 2. Control: you have the source code to the OS so you can support it even if the parent company goes belly up, or drops the product line. "Not very likely with WindowsCE, but then again look at OS/2". 3. Linux hype as a marketing tool: If you made an electric tooth brush run Linux someone would write an article about it. 4. All the normal stuff Smaller footprint, better programming model, stable, RT-Linux, internet ready..... Of course you could even go with BSD and be able to close parts of the OS since it is not GPLed. That can be a real benefit for an embedded system. Or you can go with QNX if you need RT. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 16:42:56 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29573 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:31:39 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:33:22 -0400 From: John Mitchell To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? In-Reply-To: <3801CBE8.DA771037@technocean.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com If Linux and/or RT-Linux wont do it for you, you might try Cygnus' eCos (http://www.cygnus.com/) or uC/OS II from Micrium, Inc. (http://www.ucos-ii.com/). The latter is a "portable, ROMable, scalable, preemptive real-time, multitasking kernel". Looks pretty good, source available, also a book describing its innards. uC/OS is also being readied for use in "safety critical systems [...like] aviation and medical products." ** This point on its own might sway yer boss, if Linux doesnt win out. Classes, consultants, and courses are available. (alas, I have no 1st-hand knowledge of any of the above; just thought I'd make the suggestion.) - j This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 18:50:42 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08093 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:40:33 GMT Message-ID: <003101bf1418$7eff62a0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Orderdesk (www.uClinux.com)" To: References: <199910111207.MAA06199@ampr.rt-control.com> Subject: CD-Rom now shipping was Re: [uCsimm] argh Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:43:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Evan asks: > OK, is the new release there yet? There are some files dated 5.10.99, but > with filenames like {HYPERLINK uC-src.310899.tar.gz"}uC-src.310899.tar.gz - uhmm.. New? Yes uClinux 2.0.38.0 was released Sept 13, 1999. The CD-Rom is back and is shipping. If you would like to order the CD it is available on our online secure server https://www.uclinux.com/orderdesk I hope this helps. -- Michael Durrant RT-CONTROL Inc. mdurrant@rt-control.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 19:16:20 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10475 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:07:14 GMT Message-ID: <3802372A.CA0E9851@technocean.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:14:50 -0400 From: Greg Maki X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Unfortunately, that article is not part of their online magazine. You should be able to find one around since the issue just came out. Greg Tom Zagotta wrote: > > Greg, > > Is is not possible to read this article on-line, or am I missing something? > > - Tom > > > There's a write-up about WinCE in this month's Circuit Cellar INK > > magazine. > > > > http://www.circuitcellar.com/TOC-frame.htm > > > > It's in an article entitled "What's in a Name?" > > > > Hope this gives you some ammo! > > > > Greg Maki This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 19:30:10 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11734 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:21:35 GMT Message-ID: <004401bf13f1$8f03cbe0$0101010a@dave.karlsen> From: "Rodney Arne Karlsen" To: References: <380166E4.7D4E6019@mytoys.com> <3801AFAC.8D5F91FE@insnet.net> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:39:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Leigh Porter Wrote: > QNX is damn fine too though, they do an impressive demo at www.qnx.com I aggree, but QNX is very expensive. Some guys in th local Linux User Group were looking at using qnx for an embeded system and found that it was very pricey and that the royalty scheme is very stange. Anyway, just my 2c worth Rodney Arne Karlsen This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 22:54:58 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30113 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:45:52 GMT From: "Stu" To: Subject: [uCsimm] COMDEX Las Vegas - November Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:50:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bf143a$f5998180$2be166d8@kadath.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I know the uCsimm was at COMDEX in Canada. Is it going to make an appearance at COMDEX Las Vegas? Also, can anyone recommend a good megapixel camera, in any price range? My friends and co-workers are going to want shots of all the exhibits. :) This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 11 23:14:12 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31984 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:06:55 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:08:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Stephen A. Witt" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? In-Reply-To: <004401bf13f1$8f03cbe0$0101010a@dave.karlsen> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Rodney Arne Karlsen wrote: > > Leigh Porter Wrote: > > > QNX is damn fine too though, they do an impressive demo at www.qnx.com > > I aggree, but QNX is very expensive. Some guys in th local Linux User Group > were looking at using qnx for an embeded system and found that it was very > pricey and that the royalty scheme is very stange. > > Anyway, just my 2c worth > > Rodney Arne Karlsen > I can't talk about QNX, but I am very familiar with pSOS and VxWorks. Both are very capable OSs and very appropriate for realtime embedded systems with pretty nice debugging tools. But, ISI (pSOS) and Wind River (VxWorks) make a lot of money on development systems, software maintenance, and runtime licenses. We paid somewhere around $25K for the VxWorks development environment (which gets you one board support package) and a few thousand for each additional board support package. You pay approximately 20% of that per year for software maintenance. The runtime license fees are a function of the number you buy, a 100 licenses cost approx. $500/license, 100,000 licenses cost approx $10/license (don't quote me on these numbers, I'm doing this from memory, but they are certainly in the ball park). Another thing these commercial OSs provide is a lot of freedom to move your code to different hardware targets. pSOS and VxWorks (and QNX I'm sure) are supported on nearly all embedded hardware targets. It is definitely in the hardware vendor's best interest to get BSPs for these OSs for their hardware. Then using that hardware with those OSs becomes an off the shelf proposition with little or no effort required by the developers at all. So, if you have big, deep pockets and don't care about price, or if you're going to sell many thousands of these and can amortize the development environment and runtime licenses over a lot of product, these are nice full featured OSs. But I think most people interested in uCLinux are either hobby types, people who want access to the OS source for their own purposes (some people just want the OS to work and don't want to invest anything in getting it that way) or small firms with not much capital who need things to be as cheap as possible. I work for a HUGE defense firm (Raytheon) and in my area we're starting a pilot program to determine the feasibility of moving a military embedded system off VxWorks onto Linux. Our product is pretty specialized (read we have a small niche market) and we can't get the VxWorks license fees down to where we want them. Also, although VxWorks support is pretty good, its not perfect and we've come to the point where having the source is more important to us than trusting them to work on our bugs on our schedule. The cool thing about Linux is that as our product is an IP networking product, networking stuff in Linux is advancing faster than for VxWorks. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 01:22:41 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10480 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 01:13:53 GMT Message-ID: <007401bf144f$36f37500$5d9ab8a1@p2350nt> From: "Sam Saprunoff" To: References: <000701bf134b$c81111a0$0800005a@bellsouth.net> Subject: [uCsimm] Intro to uCLinux /uCsimm Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:15:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi everyone! I am new to Linux and uCLinux, etc and I would appreciate any information (links, books, articles) that would assist me into understanding (functionality and development tools) how to utilize Linux in an embedded controller application (68332 based). I have ordered the uCsimm to assist me into learning, but would like some other background info as well. Further, I understand that the uCLinux has been ported to the '332, but I am unable to find it. Does anyone know where this port is? Thanks in advance! Cheers, Sam Sam Saprunoff sams2@telusplanet.net This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 02:26:29 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16216 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 02:18:31 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:26:30 -0700 (PDT) From: David Smead To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] Is it shipping? In-Reply-To: <000001bf143a$f5998180$2be166d8@kadath.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Greetings, I ordered a unit in July/August timeframe. Is it shipping yet? Sincerely, David Smead Please visit our web site -- amplepower.com. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 03:10:56 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20078 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:01:47 GMT Message-ID: <65A702C84CCBD111AB0C0000F81F6F6E0605BF02@exchange> From: "Bowen, Robert" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:02:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I apologize for posting this message here... What is "Floating Point - Math?" How and where is it used when programming in the embbedded/processor/micocontroller world? I've done some programming with the 87C51 microcontroller. Which doesn't have a math co-processor, Does that mean I cannot perform "Floating Point Math"? I have done many Arithmatic computations with this microcontroller using the 16 bit -32 bit ADD, SUB, MUL DIV routines supplied by Intel. How is this different from floating point math? Does this mean my calculations are incorrect? How would I benefit from using a co-processor? When does one decide that the basic ALU in a microcontroller is not sufficient to do math computations? The most difficult computation I have done with a micro is: (65535*Vout/20)+32768. I use this to calculate the DACword to write to a 16-DAC. Using the basic 16/32 bit math functions yields the correct result. How does this differ from floating point? I guess I am looking for an answer to what exactly us Floating Point? How does it differ from how I am currently doing my math calculations using the 87C51. Any help or direction is would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your prompt response. -Robert This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 05:35:23 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00257 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 05:26:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: ipanema.usc.edu: xuanchen owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:29:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Xuan Chen To: John_Gay@eur.3com.com cc: ucsimm@uClinux.org Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, John Gay wrote: > > Don't mind my address, I'm just a satisfied user, but Palm OS is much better and > smaller than WinCE. The first argument is the small size. Palm OS fits in less > than 1M of flash. What about ucliux, how much memory will it require? I need the information quite urgently... Maybe, I can compile the code to have a look? thanks, -chen The API's are much easier to use and more applicable to > hand-held devices. Therefore, applications written for Palm are much smaller. > compare the few applications that have been ported to both platforms for size. > Third, Palm accounts for the majority of the PDA market, WinCE is a definite > minority in this field. There are literally thousands of applications already > available for the Palm OS. I realise that Palm is not exactly 'Open Source', but > licences ARE available, and 3COM doesn't have a reputation of buying out or > shutting down it competition, it welcomes it. Competition is what drives > improvements. I would prefer an 'Open Source' OS as well, but the front-end and > applications for uCLinux are probably quite some time away, as yet. Palm OS > would be an easier, quicker solution to trying to get uCLinux to suit your > requirements right now. Although I'm looking forward to the day I can pull out > my PDA, slip on the display shades and start using WindowMaker on a virtual > display with a simple joystick interface while walking down the street! > > Again, I must re-iterate, I am NOT a sales person for Palm or in any way > connected with sales or licensing. I just enjoy the Palm devices I've bought and > have been following it's developments for the last two years or so. If you are > interested in licensing info, please check with 3COM directly. www.3com.com > would probably be a good starting point. I hope this helps. > > Cheers, > > John Gay > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 05:56:30 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02132 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 05:47:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: ipanema.usc.edu: xuanchen owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:50:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Xuan Chen To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Intro to uCLinux /uCsimm In-Reply-To: <007401bf144f$36f37500$5d9ab8a1@p2350nt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi, Does anyone know how to load uclinux to palm via its serial port? We are doing this right now since we have not got ucsimm for the moment, hopefully we can get them soon. But, right now port unlinux to palm is my job...:) Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -chen This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 06:56:49 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07559 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:48:36 GMT Message-ID: <000901bf147e$36c0c0e0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <000001bf0f95$0a15ae40$2be166d8@kadath.org> Subject: [uCsimm] uCgardener pictures Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 02:51:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Stu asks: > You said you'd post pics of the uCgardener boards when they got back from > the board house. When will they be up? http://www.uclinux.com/uC68EZ328/index.html I have updated the photo gallery of uCsimm bits. -- Michael Durrant RT-CONTROL Inc. mdurrant@rt-control.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 08:29:44 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15875 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:21:44 GMT From: "Stu" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] uCgardener pictures Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 01:25:52 -0700 Message-ID: <000301bf148b$654518a0$2be166d8@kadath.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <000901bf147e$36c0c0e0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Great! I didn't know there would be an actual manual. :) Umm... I hate to nag, but can I talk you into posting some larger pics? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > Behalf Of Michael Durrant > Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 11:51 PM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: [uCsimm] uCgardener pictures > > > Stu asks: > > > You said you'd post pics of the uCgardener boards when they got > back from > > the board house. When will they be up? > > http://www.uclinux.com/uC68EZ328/index.html > > I have updated the photo gallery of uCsimm bits. > > -- > Michael Durrant > RT-CONTROL Inc. > mdurrant@rt-control.com > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 08:29:54 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15864 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:21:36 GMT From: "Stu" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 01:25:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bf148b$64ae08c0$2be166d8@kadath.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <65A702C84CCBD111AB0C0000F81F6F6E0605BF02@exchange> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com What this means is that the uCsimm (probably) doesn't have any built-in routines for handling floating-point. (It might have a few helper instructions, like DAA [decimal adjust for addition] like the x86 does.) You'll basically have to write a floating-point library. Or, you can look at the Linux kernel source, which contains a FPU emulator. That should give you some pointers. Of course, GCC should be able to handle floating-point anyway, so you only have a problem if you want to code in assembly. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > Behalf Of Bowen, Robert > Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 8:02 PM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math > > > I apologize for posting this message here... > > What is "Floating Point - Math?" How and where is it used when programming > in the embbedded/processor/micocontroller world? > > I've done some programming with the 87C51 microcontroller. Which doesn't > have a math co-processor, Does that mean I cannot perform "Floating Point > Math"? > > I have done many Arithmatic computations with this > microcontroller using the > 16 bit -32 bit ADD, SUB, MUL DIV routines supplied by Intel. How is this > different from floating point math? Does this mean my calculations are > incorrect? How would I benefit from using a co-processor? When does one > decide that the basic ALU in a microcontroller is not sufficient > to do math > computations? > > The most difficult computation I have done with a micro is: > (65535*Vout/20)+32768. I use this to calculate the DACword to write to a > 16-DAC. Using the basic 16/32 bit math functions yields the > correct result. > How does this differ from floating point? > > I guess I am looking for an answer to what exactly us Floating Point? How > does it differ from how I am currently doing my math calculations > using the > 87C51. > > Any help or direction is would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance for your prompt response. > > -Robert > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 11:59:50 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01548 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:49:32 GMT Message-ID: <01BF14B8.D54881A0@smithwicks.softsys.co.at> From: Erwin Authried To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:51:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BF14B8.D551A960" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BF14B8.D551A960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Usually, whenever you compile with -msoft-float, FP routines are called from libgcc.a. So there shouldn't be any need to write new FP routines. The kernel FPU emulation is not implemented for m68k, I believe. -Erwin Stu[SMTP:doktor1@earthlink.net] wrote: > What this means is that the uCsimm (probably) doesn't have any built-in > routines for handling floating-point. (It might have a few helper > instructions, like DAA [decimal adjust for addition] like the x86 does.) > You'll basically have to write a floating-point library. > > Or, you can look at the Linux kernel source, which contains a FPU emulator. > That should give you some pointers. > > Of course, GCC should be able to handle floating-point anyway, so you only > have a problem if you want to code in assembly. > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BF14B8.D551A960 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IgcLAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAFAEAAAEAAAAMAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAQwAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHVjc2ltbUB1Q2xpbnV4 LmNvbQBTTVRQAHVjc2ltbUB1Q2xpbnV4LmNvbQAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAA ABMAAAB1Y3NpbW1AdUNsaW51eC5jb20AAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEwAQAAABUAAAAndWNz aW1tQHVDbGludXguY29tJwAAAAACAQswAQAAABgAAABTTVRQOlVDU0lNTUBVQ0xJTlVYLkNPTQAD AAA5AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAAAgH2DwEAAAAEAAAAAAAAAqwxAQSAAQAhAAAAUmU6IFt1Q3NpbW1dIEZs b2F0aW5nIFBvaW50IE1hdGgAXwsBBYADAA4AAADPBwoADAANADMABgACADQBASCAAwAOAAAAzwcK AAwADQARAAkAAgAVAQEJgAEAIQAAAEQ1QTQ2OUVEN0M4MEQzMTFCQ0U2MDAwMDFCMjJCQTJBAC4H AQOQBgDIBAAAFAAAAAsAIwAAAAAAAwAmAAAAAAALACkAAAAAAAMALgAAAAAAAwA2AAAAAABAADkA oAAhEagUvwEeAHAAAQAAACEAAABSZTogW3VDc2ltbV0gRmxvYXRpbmcgUG9pbnQgTWF0aAAAAAAC AXEAAQAAABYAAAABvxSoESHtaaTWgHwR07zmAAAbIroqAAAeAB4MAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4A HwwBAAAAFAAAAGVhdXRoQHNvZnRzeXMuY28uYXQAAwAGENve45wDAAcQawIAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAA AFVTVUFMTFksV0hFTkVWRVJZT1VDT01QSUxFV0lUSC1NU09GVC1GTE9BVCxGUFJPVVRJTkVTQVJF Q0FMTEVERlJPTUxJQkdDQ0FTT1RIRVJFU0hPVUxETlRCRUFOWU5FRURUT1cAAAAAAgEJEAEAAAAy AwAALgMAAAgGAABMWkZ1lVRmY/8ACgEPAhUCpAPkBesCgwBQEwNUAgBjaArAc2V07jIGAAbDAoMy A8YHEwKDujMTDX0KgAjPCdk7Ff94MjU1AoAKgQ2xC2Bu8GcxMDMAUAsKEvIMAUJjAEAgVXN1B0Bs IHksIHdoCfBldikEkCB5CGAgBaBtcAUDEGUbYGl0aCAtKG1zbwGALRjQb2EidBtQRlAgA2B1dG8L gAeRCsAcoGMbEQmAIAMDUgqFbGliZ2NjyC5hLgYAbyAc4ASQCRygc2gIYGxkbifNBUBiHKAAcHkg G6AfMep0IMB3BRB0HKAboAfglR35LgqFVBuAIGsEkYZlAyAd8FUgZW0hcLUdsGkCICAEACJAbwVA fwdwC1AlkAnwIwAfQQWxbeg2OGsbUEkh0SAQG7GjJCYKhS1FcgPwbiisAFN0dVtTTVRQEDpkb2si oHIxQI5lCsAc4CAQbmsuG6BMdF0iwSZwZToKhT7PCuELZBQiAdAgVxHABUD/HOAmMQeABiImMRzg LsMcoAR1QwCQbW0gKHDNA2BiAaAbMCkgK1AHkM8hohHAG8AiA2J1AxAdYH8pxxm/GsAtnx4nJ2IR wG46ZCwhZx9QHZI24S1wSm8LgHQgkChJBUBteGlnaDHmH1AH0RuAbD5wBJAzHzQvLhcLgHN06HJ1 YyXicxtQIBAk4MAgREFBIFsFgQdw4wdAHqBkanU8oCdTPoA+ZBzQJfEsoD1jMCJ4OHI2MXMuKTnf Ou8uF1ntCGAnGyAh0GEAkB7yIjBfMgMipzkRNzsgAnIKwHl/JCZBf0KPLoBHP0hPLhdP/nIbUBwD A5EVkCtgHqAwBHJMC4B1eCTWHTAIcGP+ZRtSRFAc8AWgAjALcR6R/yVJBbBHL0rvLggkoC7BIUR4 IGdpMiEcAh0wB4Ag/zezBJAkF1G/Us9Jz1cfS+oeZhwxCHAR8BtQR0ND/1Q2IeICYETzNpMcoEXN IhH8d2EbQR0wG/MCIBswWN//We8uFzjFMOIm0SYgW5AcAv9fIEaBIqEFoA2wPHEeoAQQ/yWQMTFW H2EvWD9mP2dPaF8vLjQakwqFFSEAbXAAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAMAAABAAAcwoGYyU6MUvwFAAAgw oGYyU6MUvwEeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSZTogAAAAAAMADTT9NwAAI1Q= ------ =_NextPart_000_01BF14B8.D551A960-- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 13:15:38 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08368 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:05:46 GMT From: "Tom Zagotta" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:05:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <65A702C84CCBD111AB0C0000F81F6F6E0605BF02@exchange> Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > What is "Floating Point - Math?" How and where is it used when programming > in the embbedded/processor/micocontroller world? Robert, Embedded compilers typically have two separate libraries for floating-point math. The first is used when the hardware has support for floating-point (e.g., a coprocessor). In this case, the library implements the Standard C math functions in terms of coprocessor instructions. The second type of library is for hardware platforms that do not have floating-point support. In this library, the Standard C math functions are implemented in CPU instructions. This is typically quite a bit slower to execute (10-100x longer time) than when there's hardware support. Also, this library requires more code space than the hardware library. You select the desired library as a part of the software build process. Technically, you have the same functionality available w/o a coprocessor, although you have to consider the longer execution time and larger code size of the software and how that impacts your system. Hope this helps... Best Regards, Tom Zagotta This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 14:15:11 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13570 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:05:03 GMT From: "David Siebert" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:06:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <65A702C84CCBD111AB0C0000F81F6F6E0605BF02@exchange> Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Floating point math is math that allows a variable number of digits on each side of the decimal point. It is uses in many types of programs. Such as MP3 encoders/decoders, 3d rendering, and so on. Many programs have no need for it and doing it in software is slow. back in the good old day when you need to do floating point but did have the cpu power you cheated and wrote fixed point math functions. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On Behalf Of Bowen, Robert Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 11:02 PM To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math I apologize for posting this message here... What is "Floating Point - Math?" How and where is it used when programming in the embbedded/processor/micocontroller world? I've done some programming with the 87C51 microcontroller. Which doesn't have a math co-processor, Does that mean I cannot perform "Floating Point Math"? I have done many Arithmatic computations with this microcontroller using the 16 bit -32 bit ADD, SUB, MUL DIV routines supplied by Intel. How is this different from floating point math? Does this mean my calculations are incorrect? How would I benefit from using a co-processor? When does one decide that the basic ALU in a microcontroller is not sufficient to do math computations? The most difficult computation I have done with a micro is: (65535*Vout/20)+32768. I use this to calculate the DACword to write to a 16-DAC. Using the basic 16/32 bit math functions yields the correct result. How does this differ from floating point? I guess I am looking for an answer to what exactly us Floating Point? How does it differ from how I am currently doing my math calculations using the 87C51. Any help or direction is would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your prompt response. -Robert This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 14:33:25 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15253 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:24:20 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:31:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Greg Ingram To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math In-Reply-To: <01BF14B8.D54881A0@smithwicks.softsys.co.at> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Erwin Authried wrote: > Usually, whenever you compile with -msoft-float, FP routines are called from > libgcc.a. So there shouldn't be any need to write new FP routines. > The kernel FPU emulation is not implemented for m68k, I believe. The 2.2.x m68k kernels do have FPU emulation now. - Greg This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 14:56:17 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17343 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:47:48 GMT Message-ID: <38034A7E.6BF28848@metris.be> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:49:34 +0200 From: Filip Peters Organization: Metris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] TINI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I found this some days ago: http://www.ibutton.com/TINI/ Seems quite like the ucsimm, cost 50$ which seems pretty cheap for web-enabling your toaster/fridge/whatever. Are there people on this list with experience on this thing? It seems to me as a product right between a board with a 68hc11 and the ucsimm board. some specs: 512K ram, 512K flash, ethernet, serial port, ibutton interface, and programmable in Java. packaged in a 72 pins simm :) Filip Peters fp@metris.be This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 15:48:01 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21301 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:32:40 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 01:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: David Smead To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math In-Reply-To: <65A702C84CCBD111AB0C0000F81F6F6E0605BF02@exchange> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Robert, Floating point is based on logs, with a mantissa and exponent. I use floating point on a lowly 6805 micorcomputer to calculate an exponential equation. Try raising X to a fractional power. i.e. X ^ 1.1, without floating point. If all you're doing is simple arithmetic, using long integers works fine, say 32 to 64 bits. but you have to do extra work to keep track of the decimal, (radicand?) point. With floats -- you get the point. Sincerely, David Smead Please visit our web site -- amplepower.com. On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Bowen, Robert wrote: > I apologize for posting this message here... > > What is "Floating Point - Math?" How and where is it used when programming > in the embbedded/processor/micocontroller world? > > I've done some programming with the 87C51 microcontroller. Which doesn't > have a math co-processor, Does that mean I cannot perform "Floating Point > Math"? > > I have done many Arithmatic computations with this microcontroller using the > 16 bit -32 bit ADD, SUB, MUL DIV routines supplied by Intel. How is this > different from floating point math? Does this mean my calculations are > incorrect? How would I benefit from using a co-processor? When does one > decide that the basic ALU in a microcontroller is not sufficient to do math > computations? > > The most difficult computation I have done with a micro is: > (65535*Vout/20)+32768. I use this to calculate the DACword to write to a > 16-DAC. Using the basic 16/32 bit math functions yields the correct result. > How does this differ from floating point? > > I guess I am looking for an answer to what exactly us Floating Point? How > does it differ from how I am currently doing my math calculations using the > 87C51. > > Any help or direction is would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance for your prompt response. > > -Robert > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 15:55:03 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21869 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:39:33 GMT Message-ID: <27820979A172D3118EC5009027B09FE10237D0@NTEXEC> From: Alex Perry To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: [uCsimm] CDROM, manual and uCgardener kit pictures Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:41:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > I have updated the photo gallery of uCsimm bits. Nice pictures. Gimme gimme gimme ... the real thing. Grin. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 16:05:49 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22734 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:49:39 GMT Message-ID: <65A702C84CCBD111AB0C0000F81F6F6E0605C089@exchange> From: "Bowen, Robert" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:49:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Tom, Thanks so much for taking the time to respond to my questions. -Just trying to understand.... Example: When I am writing in ASM code for the 8751 micro, for example, if I want to add .001 + .005 I would have to convert these numbers to whole numbers, ei: 1000+5000 then divide by 1000 to get a value I can use. I do this because I cannot convert .1 or .6 into hex. (.1 decimal -> HEX = 0) Now, If I were using Floating Point, which allows for this 24-bit mantissa, then can I assume that I will be able to directly represent these numbers directly to the CPU? Thanks again, in advance. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Tom Zagotta [mailto:tzagotta@mich.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 8:05 AM To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math > What is "Floating Point - Math?" How and where is it used when programming > in the embbedded/processor/micocontroller world? Robert, Embedded compilers typically have two separate libraries for floating-point math. The first is used when the hardware has support for floating-point (e.g., a coprocessor). In this case, the library implements the Standard C math functions in terms of coprocessor instructions. The second type of library is for hardware platforms that do not have floating-point support. In this library, the Standard C math functions are implemented in CPU instructions. This is typically quite a bit slower to execute (10-100x longer time) than when there's hardware support. Also, this library requires more code space than the hardware library. You select the desired library as a part of the software build process. Technically, you have the same functionality available w/o a coprocessor, although you have to consider the longer execution time and larger code size of the software and how that impacts your system. Hope this helps... Best Regards, Tom Zagotta This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 16:58:24 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27894 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:47:44 GMT From: et@enterprise.net Message-Id: <199910121647.QAA27869@ampr.rt-control.com> To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:48:15 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: [uCsimm] more 68332 grief In-reply-to: References: <65A702C84CCBD111AB0C0000F81F6F6E0605BF02@exchange> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Anyone know what's happening here? I've made all the changes in /platform/68332, put PLATFORM=68332 BOARD=myboard in /linux/Makefile, made an option for myboard in config.in, and selected it, but the compiler never seems to get as far as anything platform specific. If I compile 68EZ328 / ucsimm, it works perfectly, of course. What have I missed? I've done this twice now, with old and new distributions, and it fails in the same way.. Does anyone have a working '332 platform out there? Thanks.. [root@sampo linux]# make linux.bin m68k-coff-gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/opt/src/uclinux/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fn o-strength-reduce -pipe -DNO_MM -DNO_FPU -m68000 -D__COFF__ -DMAGIC_ROM_PTR -DNO_FORGET -DUTS_SYSNAME='"uClinux"' -c -o init/main.o init/main.c /opt/src/uclinux/linux/include/linux/swapctl.h: In function `age_of': In file included from /opt/src/uclinux/linux/include/linux/pagemap.h:15, from /opt/src/uclinux/linux/include/linux/locks.h:8, from /opt/src/uclinux/linux/include/linux/blk.h:5, from init/main.c:43: /opt/src/uclinux/linux/include/linux/swapctl.h:122: `PAGE_OFFSET' undeclared (first use this function) /opt/src/uclinux/linux/include/linux/swapctl.h:122: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /opt/src/uclinux/linux/include/linux/swapctl.h:122: for each function it appears in.) /opt/src/uclinux/linux/include/linux/swapctl.h:123: warning: control reaches end of non-void function /opt/src/uclinux/linux/include/linux/swapctl.h: In function `set_page_new': /opt/src/uclinux/linux/include/linux/swapctl.h:127: `PAGE_OFFSET' undeclared (first use this function) /opt/src/uclinux/linux/include/linux/pagemap.h: In function `page_address': In file included from /opt/src/uclinux/linux/include/linux/locks.h:8, from /opt/src/uclinux/linux/include/linux/blk.h:5, from init/main.c:43: /opt/src/uclinux/linux/include/linux/pagemap.h:19: `PAGE_OFFSET' undeclared (first use this function) /opt/src/uclinux/linux/include/linux/pagemap.h:20: warning: control reaches end of non-void function init/main.c: In function `calibrate_delay': init/main.c:643: `HZ' undeclared (first use this function) make: *** [init/main.o] Error 1 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 17:03:27 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28466 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:54:16 GMT From: stirra@wwc.edu Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910121656.JAA11010@lassen.wwc> To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Filip, We bought two of the TINI boards, and you are correct that they are between common uC's and the uCsimm in performance. It doesn't have any generic digital I/O or LCD interface (only RS232, CANbus, 1-wire bus, and memory-mapped I/O, and of course, ethernet), and it is an 8-bit processor, but has lots of possibilities. We plan to use uCsimms for instrument controllers, but the low price of the TINI makes it useful in a lot of other applications. The firmware is still in alpha, so lots of bugs remain. The Dallas team is very responsive, though, and they should have beta release in another week or two. -- Ralph This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 17:47:50 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32326 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:38:09 GMT Message-ID: <27820979A172D3118EC5009027B09FE10237D2@NTEXEC> From: Alex Perry To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] TINI Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:40:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > I found this some days ago: > http://www.ibutton.com/TINI/ My impression is that the ucSIMM is a heck of a lot easier to shrink and yet easily generate software to operate it. For example, it seems to me that is would be trivial to re-layout the board to have the ethernet connector at one end and a DB25 connector at the other end. It draws so little power that it can be powered over the connector when you plug into into a printer. Just stick enough intelligence into the board to query the printer and guess its characteristics, then use DHCP to get onto the internet and tell the DNS which printer is being made available by "lpd". No other services need apply, but all the diagnostics would be trivial! This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 19:13:15 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06963 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:02:25 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:04:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Zhao To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI In-Reply-To: <38034A7E.6BF28848@metris.be> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Filip Peters wrote: > I found this some days ago: > http://www.ibutton.com/TINI/ > Seems quite like the ucsimm, cost 50$ which seems pretty cheap for > web-enabling your toaster/fridge/whatever. Are there people on this list > with experience on this thing? Yes, one of my friends is working on this, trying to connect radiometrix to it. We also try to compare TINI to ucSimm, and that is why I am so eagerly for ucSimm's arrival. > It seems to me as a product right between a board with a 68hc11 and the > ucsimm board. > some specs: 512K ram, 512K flash, ethernet, serial port, ibutton > interface, and programmable in Java. packaged in a 72 pins simm :) It also have a I2C bus and 8-bit data and address bus for I/O. so quite flexible to hook to any devices. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 19:37:06 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09006 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:26:14 GMT Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991012121818.00c9ac10@mail1.dcomm.net> X-Sender: terrye@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:21:26 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com From: Terry Ewing Subject: [uCsimm] IDE In-Reply-To: <65A702C84CCBD111AB0C0000F81F6F6E0605C089@exchange> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com How hard would it be to implement and IDE driver for the ucSIMM? I have a project in mind that would require the ability to access an IDE hard disk. -Terry This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 20:59:38 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16437 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:50:21 GMT From: "Stu" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] IDE Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:54:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000601bf14f4$04488320$2be166d8@kadath.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991012121818.00c9ac10@mail1.dcomm.net> Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Pretty freaking hard. You might want to look into firewire drives or similar. There is one being reviewed at http://www.zdtv.com/freshgear. It didn't get a good review, but it's a start. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > Behalf Of Terry Ewing > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 12:21 PM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: [uCsimm] IDE > > > How hard would it be to implement and IDE driver for the ucSIMM? > I have a > project in mind that would require the ability to access an IDE hard disk. > > -Terry > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 21:03:01 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16720 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:53:43 GMT Message-ID: <3803ADEF.1D7C5230@insnet.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:53:51 +0100 From: Leigh Porter Organization: Internet Network Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI References: <27820979A172D3118EC5009027B09FE10237D2@NTEXEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Alex Perry wrote: > > I found this some days ago: > > http://www.ibutton.com/TINI/ > > My impression is that the ucSIMM is a heck of a lot easier > to shrink and yet easily generate software to operate it. Yeah but... Java's cool, isn't it ...? I prefer the ucSIMM too, carnt wait till it arrives :) -- Leigh This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 21:24:38 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18706 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:16:11 GMT From: Donald Jeff Dionne Message-Id: <199910122056.UAA30636@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] IDE To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:56:27 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <000601bf14f4$04488320$2be166d8@kadath.org> from "Stu" at Oct 12, 99 01:54:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > Pretty freaking hard. Why would you say that? The IDE driver would need very little work to make it use some external latches and buffers. It would not be fast, but IMHO would most certainly not be hard to do. You could even do it over the SPI bus with a CPLD (or a handful of 74HC) and not take _too_ much of a performance hit over what is possible with latches and buffers (SPI can run at 500kbytes/sec). This sounds like material for an app note to me! > You might want to look into firewire drives or Don't you think this would kill your price point? > similar. There is one being reviewed at http://www.zdtv.com/freshgear. It > didn't get a good review, but it's a start. :) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > > Behalf Of Terry Ewing > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 12:21 PM > > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > Subject: [uCsimm] IDE > > > > > > How hard would it be to implement and IDE driver for the ucSIMM? > > I have a > > project in mind that would require the ability to access an IDE hard disk. > > > > -Terry > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > -- Cheers, Jeff / VE3DJF Jeff@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. ... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 21:29:56 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19129 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:20:58 GMT From: "Tom Zagotta" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:20:29 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <65A702C84CCBD111AB0C0000F81F6F6E0605C089@exchange> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Robert, Yes, that is exactly correct. On the 8751 in assembly, you have no floating-point support. Therefore, you have to convert your fractional numbers to integers and then do the math. With (nearly any) C or C++ compiler, you can just declare the two numbers of type 'float' and perform whatever math you have. This is just the same as what you might do in Visual C++. Under the hood, what is going on is that the compiler generates a call to a floating-point addition routine that is located somewhere in their library. This is completely hidden from you at the C/C++ level, but if you look into the assembly code that is generated by the compiler, you will see it looks just like a normal 'C' function call, except that it has a "funny name." If you have any other questions, you can send me a direct e-mail at tzagotta@mich.com. I'll be glad to help out. - Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > Behalf Of Bowen, Robert > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 11:50 AM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math > > > Tom, > > Thanks so much for taking the time to respond to my questions. > > -Just trying to understand.... Example: > > When I am writing in ASM code for the 8751 micro, for example, if > I want to > add .001 + .005 I would have to convert these numbers to whole > numbers, ei: > 1000+5000 then divide by 1000 to get a value I can use. I do this > because I > cannot convert .1 or .6 into hex. (.1 decimal -> HEX = 0) > > Now, If I were using Floating Point, which allows for this 24-bit > mantissa, > then can I assume that I will be able to directly represent these numbers > directly to the CPU? > > Thanks again, in advance. > > Robert This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 21:49:21 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20705 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:38:49 GMT Message-ID: <19991012214016.33110.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.252.104.195] From: "Mert INCEIPLIK" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] IDE Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:40:15 EEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I'd like to use an IDE disk too. Someone from the list once told me that it was the firmware that's tricky. Anyone tried this before ? Mert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 22:26:19 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24278 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:17:54 GMT Message-ID: <3803B5F1.66EE7A6F@AdvancedRelay.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:28:01 -0700 From: "Mahmut C. Genceli" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] IDE References: <199910122056.UAA30636@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com There is a driver for IDE one for 8051 over here. http://www.magicio.com/cgroen/images/IDE.C Donald Jeff Dionne wrote: > > > > > Pretty freaking hard. > > Why would you say that? The IDE driver would need very little work to > make it use some external latches and buffers. It would not be fast, but > IMHO would most certainly not be hard to do. You could even do it over the > SPI bus with a CPLD (or a handful of 74HC) and not take _too_ much of a > performance hit over what is possible with latches and buffers (SPI can run > at 500kbytes/sec). This sounds like material for an app note to me! > > > You might want to look into firewire drives or > > Don't you think this would kill your price point? > > > similar. There is one being reviewed at http://www.zdtv.com/freshgear. It > > didn't get a good review, but it's a start. :) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > > > Behalf Of Terry Ewing > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 12:21 PM > > > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > > Subject: [uCsimm] IDE > > > > > > > > > How hard would it be to implement and IDE driver for the ucSIMM? > > > I have a > > > project in mind that would require the ability to access an IDE hard disk. > > > > > > -Terry > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > -- > Cheers, > Jeff / VE3DJF Jeff@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne > > Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. > Got one, got one, everybody's got one. Oompah oompah, stick it up your jumper. > ... > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 22:45:21 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25942 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:36:54 GMT Message-ID: <3803B8BD.C1CCED67@btr-auto.aust.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:39:57 +1000 From: "Stuart Warren" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI References: <38034A7E.6BF28848@metris.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com X-Return-Path: SWarren@btr-auto.aust.com Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I got mine in the mail last week. It's very nice. Having the larger 72 pin SIMM allows a lot more to be interfaced externally than appears with the uCsimm. It was the extra I/O, the price and the built-in CAN controller made it appealing to me. The datasheet (80c320.pdf) on the microcontroller was released on the www.dalsemi.com site around two weeks ago. There is real-estate for adding an additional 512k of RAM onto the board. This would take the board up to 1MB of _non-volatile_ RAM. So the 512kB Flash isn't a restriction on how much code you can fit in. At the moment there is no support for accessing external memory mapped I/O and the CAN controller, but that's meant to be coming over the next couple of months. The firmware is still in alpha but the latest version seems pretty stable. Within 10 minutes of having it out of the box I was able to ftp, telnet and serve web pages. The TINI board has a boot loader for upgrading the firmware. So it's possible that something other than their JAVA based firmware could be loaded on. At less than 1/3 the price of the uCSIMM, it would make for a nice alternative target for uclinux (but the 80c320 uP uses an 8051 instruction set :( ) If you have a spare $50 kicking around (+ $35 for the _assembled_ adaptor board), you're definitely getting your money's worth. At the very least, it's much more fun learning java this way than playing on a desktop. Regards Stuart Warren Filip Peters wrote: > > I found this some days ago: > http://www.ibutton.com/TINI/ > > Seems quite like the ucsimm, cost 50$ which seems pretty cheap for > web-enabling your toaster/fridge/whatever. Are there people on this list > with experience on this thing? > > It seems to me as a product right between a board with a 68hc11 and the > ucsimm board. > some specs: 512K ram, 512K flash, ethernet, serial port, ibutton > interface, and programmable in Java. packaged in a 72 pins simm :) > > Filip Peters > fp@metris.be > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 12 22:47:05 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26075 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:38:42 GMT Message-ID: <65A702C84CCBD111AB0C0000F81F6F6E061D0E48@exchange> From: "Bowen, Robert" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:38:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Thanks,David for your response. Very much appreciated. -Robert Field Service Engineer - St. Louis, MO Robert Bowen - N0PAU > -----Original Message----- > From: David Smead [SMTP:smead@amplepower.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 3:41 AM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math > > Robert, > > Floating point is based on logs, with a mantissa and exponent. I use > floating point on a lowly 6805 micorcomputer to calculate an exponential > equation. Try raising X to a fractional power. i.e. X ^ 1.1, without > floating point. > > If all you're doing is simple arithmetic, using long integers works fine, > say 32 to 64 bits. but you have to do extra work to keep track of the > decimal, (radicand?) point. With floats -- you get the point. > > Sincerely, > > David Smead > Please visit our web site -- amplepower.com. > > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Bowen, Robert wrote: > > > I apologize for posting this message here... > > > > What is "Floating Point - Math?" How and where is it used when > programming > > in the embbedded/processor/micocontroller world? > > > > I've done some programming with the 87C51 microcontroller. Which doesn't > > have a math co-processor, Does that mean I cannot perform "Floating > Point > > Math"? > > > > I have done many Arithmatic computations with this microcontroller using > the > > 16 bit -32 bit ADD, SUB, MUL DIV routines supplied by Intel. How is this > > different from floating point math? Does this mean my calculations are > > incorrect? How would I benefit from using a co-processor? When does one > > decide that the basic ALU in a microcontroller is not sufficient to do > math > > computations? > > > > The most difficult computation I have done with a micro is: > > (65535*Vout/20)+32768. I use this to calculate the DACword to write to a > > 16-DAC. Using the basic 16/32 bit math functions yields the correct > result. > > How does this differ from floating point? > > > > I guess I am looking for an answer to what exactly us Floating Point? > How > > does it differ from how I am currently doing my math calculations using > the > > 87C51. > > > > Any help or direction is would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance for your prompt response. > > > > -Robert > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 00:09:28 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00517 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:00:24 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:08:25 -0700 (PDT) From: David Smead To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] IDE In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991012121818.00c9ac10@mail1.dcomm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I wrote a driver for IDE several years ago using a 68341. Mostly, you need a lot of I/O pins for the interface. And, it's not blazing fast to do it without DMA, but it works. I'm waiting to get my hands on some hardware and will look at the harddrive issue then. Sincerely, David Smead Please visit our web site -- amplepower.com. On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Terry Ewing wrote: > How hard would it be to implement and IDE driver for the ucSIMM? I have a > project in mind that would require the ability to access an IDE hard disk. > > -Terry > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 00:24:29 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01807 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:15:21 GMT Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991012170936.02e55930@mail1.dcomm.net> X-Sender: terrye@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:10:38 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com From: Terry Ewing Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI In-Reply-To: <3803B8BD.C1CCED67@btr-auto.aust.com> References: <38034A7E.6BF28848@metris.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Interesting. What do you plan to use the CAN interface for? At 08:39 AM 10/13/99 +1000, you wrote: >I got mine in the mail last week. It's very nice. Having the larger 72 >pin SIMM allows a lot more to be interfaced externally than appears with >the uCsimm. It was the extra I/O, the price and the built-in CAN >controller made it appealing to me. The datasheet (80c320.pdf) on the >microcontroller was released on the www.dalsemi.com site around two >weeks ago. > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 01:32:44 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07810 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:23:39 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: pkey@mail.syncsystems.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3803B5F1.66EE7A6F@AdvancedRelay.com> References: <199910122056.UAA30636@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> <3803B5F1.66EE7A6F@AdvancedRelay.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:30:00 -0500 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com From: Paul Key Subject: Re: [uCsimm] IDE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >There is a driver for IDE one for 8051 over here. > >http://www.magicio.com/cgroen/images/IDE.C > Sounds like another use for the TINI (8051 based). ------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Key | pkey@syncsystems.com Synchronous Systems | voice: 800.546.3824 PO Box 118 | : 612.797.9374 Hopkins, MN 55343 | fax: 612.546.0339 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.syncsystems.com ------------------------------------------------------------- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 04:03:26 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20785 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 03:50:35 GMT Message-ID: <3804021F.AFC1AB6E@btr-auto.aust.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:53:03 +1000 From: "Stuart Warren" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI References: <38034A7E.6BF28848@metris.be> <4.2.0.58.19991012170936.02e55930@mail1.dcomm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com X-Return-Path: SWarren@btr-auto.aust.com Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Terry Ewing wrote: > > Interesting. What do you plan to use the CAN interface for? > OK. Seeing as you asked... Our control module communicates with other modules in a car (Engine Controller, ABS, Traction Control etc) via CAN. When we do vehicle/software testing, we fit an additional module that sucks relevant data off from the CAN, including diagnostic data from our controller. If a fault occurs, this data helps us to piece together what happened. The fault may have been caused by another module, faulty wiring (common with prototype vehicles) or our module. There are a couple of things I'd like to do: 1) Add a time service broadcast onto the CAN so that the logger module can time stamp data resulting from a fault. 2) Everyone at work already has an ibutton on their key ring. We'd like to replace our existing paper-based log sheets with an i-button based system. Who drove, when and how far, would be logged automatically. This lets us track down who was driving at the time the fault occurred so we can go and beat them up for breaking our software (this is the testing stage after all). 3) Replace our current logger system completely and not just log CAN signals, but analogue signals too - such as strain gauges and thermocouples. With the TINI, 1 & 2 should be simple to implement in software and not require any hardware modification. 3 would require something a little more nimble, preferably rtlinux and the uCsimm, so that we could guarantee that the CAN data is synchronised with the analogue I/O. Regards, Stuart Warren This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 05:40:31 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29567 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 05:29:18 GMT Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991012223531.00947210@mail.deepwell.com> X-Sender: terrye@mail.deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:36:14 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com From: Terry Ewing Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI In-Reply-To: <3804021F.AFC1AB6E@btr-auto.aust.com> References: <38034A7E.6BF28848@metris.be> <4.2.0.58.19991012170936.02e55930@mail1.dcomm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com How man cars currently use CAN? Can you just tap into the bus and start pulling data from any new car? At 01:53 PM 10/13/99 +1000, you wrote: >Terry Ewing wrote: > > > > Interesting. What do you plan to use the CAN interface for? > > >OK. Seeing as you asked... > >Our control module communicates with other modules in a car (Engine >Controller, ABS, Traction Control etc) via CAN. When we do >vehicle/software testing, we fit an additional module that sucks >relevant data off from the CAN, including diagnostic data from our >controller. If a fault occurs, this data helps us to piece together >what happened. The fault may have been caused by another module, faulty >wiring (common with prototype vehicles) or our module. > >There are a couple of things I'd like to do: > >1) Add a time service broadcast onto the CAN so that the logger module >can time stamp data resulting from a fault. >2) Everyone at work already has an ibutton on their key ring. We'd like >to replace our existing paper-based log sheets with an i-button based >system. Who drove, when and how far, would be logged automatically. >This lets us track down who was driving at the time the fault occurred >so we can go and beat them up for breaking our software (this is the >testing stage after all). >3) Replace our current logger system completely and not just log CAN >signals, but analogue signals too - such as strain gauges and >thermocouples. > >With the TINI, 1 & 2 should be simple to implement in software and not >require any hardware modification. >3 would require something a little more nimble, preferably rtlinux and >the uCsimm, so that we could guarantee that the CAN data is synchronised >with the analogue I/O. > >Regards, >Stuart Warren > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server >http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 06:53:07 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03477 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 06:44:15 GMT From: "Stu" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] IDE Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:48:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bf1546$fd6964e0$2be166d8@kadath.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199910122056.UAA30636@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: Re: [uCsimm] IDE > > > > > > Pretty freaking hard. > > Why would you say that? The IDE driver would need very little work to > make it use some external latches and buffers. It would not be fast, but > IMHO would most certainly not be hard to do. You could even do > it over the > SPI bus with a CPLD (or a handful of 74HC) and not take _too_ much of a > performance hit over what is possible with latches and buffers > (SPI can run > at 500kbytes/sec). This sounds like material for an app note to me! Where's he going to get the circuitry to talk to an actual IDE drive? > > You might want to look into firewire drives or > > Don't you think this would kill your price point? What price point? This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 08:59:36 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14661 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:49:59 GMT Message-ID: <3804486A.F1557C60@apple20.mhpcc.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:52:56 -1000 From: Kelly Holmberg Organization: spholm@apple20.mhpcc.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] IDE References: <199910122056.UAA30636@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> <3803B5F1.66EE7A6F@AdvancedRelay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > >There is a driver for IDE one for 8051 over here. > >http://www.magicio.com/cgroen/images/IDE.C Nicely commented code, I might add. Neatness counts! > Sounds like another use for the TINI (8051 based). Hmmm, I wonder which would be more work: porting to the 68xxx and getting to stay in C, or staying on the 8051 and recoding in Java? For the uCsimm, it seems Almost like I could 'just' redefine the cpu i/o ports, and be practically off and running. Lezzee, I must have a spare drive lying around somewhere... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Kelly L. Holmberg Kihei, HI klholm@apple20.mhpcc.edu - email http://apple20.mhpcc.edu - web spholm@apple20.mhpcc.edu - spam This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 10:39:04 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23554 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:29:21 GMT Message-ID: <38045F78.8D75874F@metris.be> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:31:20 +0200 From: Filip Peters Organization: Metris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI References: <38034A7E.6BF28848@metris.be> <3803B8BD.C1CCED67@btr-auto.aust.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Stuart Warren wrote: > > If you have a spare $50 kicking around (+ $35 for the _assembled_ > adaptor board), you're definitely getting your money's worth. At the > very least, it's much more fun learning java this way than playing on a > desktop. > Well, that's exactly what I was thinking! I've been thinking of learning some java and this seems the most fun. I'm thinking of some sort of home automation system with the ucSimm as a sort of master controller/ info panel with a 320x240 display I have, and then in every room a TINI server which uses a multidrop rs485 connection (or 1-wire) to several controllers in the room (to dim lights, the stereo, temp sensors,..). Filip Peters fp@metris.be This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 13:58:49 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08493 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:48:13 GMT From: "David Siebert" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] IDE Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:50:01 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3804486A.F1557C60@apple20.mhpcc.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com IDE would be great, now if I could get some info on the PCMCIA/ATA interface that looks like an IDE for mem cards and pcmcia HDs I would be all set. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On Behalf Of Kelly Holmberg Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 4:53 AM To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] IDE > >There is a driver for IDE one for 8051 over here. > >http://www.magicio.com/cgroen/images/IDE.C Nicely commented code, I might add. Neatness counts! > Sounds like another use for the TINI (8051 based). Hmmm, I wonder which would be more work: porting to the 68xxx and getting to stay in C, or staying on the 8051 and recoding in Java? For the uCsimm, it seems Almost like I could 'just' redefine the cpu i/o ports, and be practically off and running. Lezzee, I must have a spare drive lying around somewhere... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Kelly L. Holmberg Kihei, HI klholm@apple20.mhpcc.edu - email http://apple20.mhpcc.edu - web spholm@apple20.mhpcc.edu - spam This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 18:29:58 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32472 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:18:24 GMT Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:20:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Bishop X-Sender: mark@web1.lanscape.net To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I'm trying to find out as much information about embedded linux and about any ongoing ports of Linux to 8-bit processors. The company I work for is thinking about moving over to it if we can only find out the obstacles that may present themselves to us. Now I know this is probably not even close to being on topic but I was hoping that maybe some of you have some sort of experience with either one or both queries for information. Thanks and I do apologize. ============================================================= | Mark Bishop || 863.687.8465x3994 || This space | | Firmware Engineer || www.protelinc.com || avail to | | Protel Inc || www.suncoastlug.org || rent | This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 18:37:57 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00414 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:26:22 GMT Message-ID: <19991013182752.50610.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.252.104.195] From: "Mert INCEIPLIK" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:27:46 EEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Filip Peters wrote: >Well, that's exactly what I was thinking! I've been thinking of learning >some java and >this seems the most fun. > >I'm thinking of some sort of home automation system with the ucSimm as a >sort of master >controller/ info panel with a 320x240 display I have, and then in every >room a TINI >server which uses a multidrop rs485 connection (or 1-wire) to several >controllers in >the room (to dim lights, the stereo, temp sensors,..). >Filip Peters >>fp@metris.be That's what I'm gonna do. And I think some Speech Recognition would be cool, too. Mert. mertince@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 20:15:51 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09352 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:06:37 GMT From: "David Siebert" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:08:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Linux on an 8bit cpu? ahhh no. Not enough address space. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On Behalf Of Mark Bishop Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 2:20 PM To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. I'm trying to find out as much information about embedded linux and about any ongoing ports of Linux to 8-bit processors. The company I work for is thinking about moving over to it if we can only find out the obstacles that may present themselves to us. Now I know this is probably not even close to being on topic but I was hoping that maybe some of you have some sort of experience with either one or both queries for information. Thanks and I do apologize. ============================================================= | Mark Bishop || 863.687.8465x3994 || This space | | Firmware Engineer || www.protelinc.com || avail to | | Protel Inc || www.suncoastlug.org || rent | This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 21:04:09 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13469 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:53:03 GMT Message-ID: <001801bf15bd$28d652c0$0800005a@bellsouth.net> From: "Will" To: References: <38034A7E.6BF28848@metris.be> <3803B8BD.C1CCED67@btr-auto.aust.com> <38045F78.8D75874F@metris.be> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:54:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com When you say "learn some java" you mean learn some embedded java, right? >From a TINI webpage: "Note that TINI supports Sun's Embedded Java platform instead of "full blown" Java. This means that only 100% Pure Embedded Java programs will run on TINI." > Well, that's exactly what I was thinking! I've been thinking of learning some java and > this seems the most fun. > > I'm thinking of some sort of home automation system with the ucSimm as a sort of master > controller/ info panel with a 320x240 display I have, and then in every room a TINI > server which uses a multidrop rs485 connection (or 1-wire) to several controllers in > the room (to dim lights, the stereo, temp sensors,..). > > Filip Peters > fp@metris.be > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 21:20:29 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15127 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:11:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: ipanema.usc.edu: xuanchen owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:14:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Xuan Chen To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI In-Reply-To: <3803ADEF.1D7C5230@insnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Leigh Porter wrote: > > I prefer the ucSIMM too, carnt wait till it arrives :) > > -- > Leigh Yes, we are also waiting for its arriving. Before it comes, we are trying to port uclinux to 3Com PalmIII. Are there anyone who knows how much memory will ucLinux need? Will 4M be enough? Thanks. > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 21:29:38 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16033 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:21:18 GMT Message-ID: <380521FD.EA8786C5@interport.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:21:20 -0700 From: Chris Drelich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Check out Elks. Chris David Siebert wrote: > > Linux on an 8bit cpu? ahhh no. Not enough address space. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Bishop > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 2:20 PM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > > I'm trying to find out as much information about embedded linux and about > any ongoing ports of Linux to 8-bit processors. The company I work for is > thinking about moving over to it if we can only find out the obstacles > that may present themselves to us. Now I know this is probably not even > close to being on topic but I was hoping that maybe some of you have some > sort of experience with either one or both queries for information. > Thanks and I do apologize. > > ============================================================= > | Mark Bishop || 863.687.8465x3994 || This space | > | Firmware Engineer || www.protelinc.com || avail to | > | Protel Inc || www.suncoastlug.org || rent | > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 22:57:25 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23688 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:47:12 GMT Message-ID: <38050E1D.8D96EC3C@AdvancedRelay.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:56:29 -0700 From: "Mahmut C. Genceli" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. References: <380521FD.EA8786C5@interport.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com And Elks is ? Chris Drelich wrote: > > Check out Elks. > Chris > > David Siebert wrote: > > > > Linux on an 8bit cpu? ahhh no. Not enough address space. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > > Behalf Of Mark Bishop > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 2:20 PM > > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > Subject: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > > > > I'm trying to find out as much information about embedded linux and about > > any ongoing ports of Linux to 8-bit processors. The company I work for is > > thinking about moving over to it if we can only find out the obstacles > > that may present themselves to us. Now I know this is probably not even > > close to being on topic but I was hoping that maybe some of you have some > > sort of experience with either one or both queries for information. > > Thanks and I do apologize. > > > > ============================================================= > > | Mark Bishop || 863.687.8465x3994 || This space | > > | Firmware Engineer || www.protelinc.com || avail to | > > | Protel Inc || www.suncoastlug.org || rent | > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 23:04:41 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24401 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:55:10 GMT From: "Stu" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] TINI Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:59:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bf15ce$a1c8c940$2be166d8@kadath.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Just download XCoPilot and the uClinux port that runs under it. I think the pilot it emulates only has something like 1 or 2MB RAM. A good way to find out would be to actually read the docs. That way, you know right away, instead of hoping someone on the list will answer. Once you know what it needs, then you can decide what hardware you need to do this port. (I assume you're doing it for the experience. Sounds like fun!) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > Behalf Of Xuan Chen > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 2:14 PM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Leigh Porter wrote: > > > > I prefer the ucSIMM too, carnt wait till it arrives :) > > > > -- > > Leigh > Yes, we are also waiting for its arriving. Before it comes, we are trying > to port uclinux to 3Com PalmIII. Are there anyone who knows how much > memory will ucLinux need? Will 4M be enough? Thanks. > > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 23:30:24 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26634 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:20:42 GMT Message-ID: <3805147D.969B4057@btr-auto.aust.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:23:41 +1000 From: "Stuart Warren" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI References: <38034A7E.6BF28848@metris.be> <4.2.0.58.19991012170936.02e55930@mail1.dcomm.net> <4.2.0.58.19991012223531.00947210@mail.deepwell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com X-Return-Path: SWarren@btr-auto.aust.com Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > How man cars currently use CAN? Can you just tap into the bus and start > pulling data from any new car? It's very common in new gasoline cars. Direct injection (common rail) diesel cars almost certainly have CAN or an equivalent bus. And it _is_ just as easy as tapping into the CAN and pulling off the data. Messages are up to 8 bytes long and each message is divided up into process variables. The trick is knowing how these messages map into variables. If you use a CAN monitoring program like CANalyzer or the tk/tcl program that comes with the CAN4linux package, you can reverse engineer it easily enough. Bus speeds generally come in 3 flavours - 250kb/s, 500kb/s and 1Mb/s. CAN is only deterministic if all the nodes on the bus are well behaved. Another bus, called TTP (Time Triggered Protocol), addresses this issue and so is more suitable for safety systems. For the query in another post about ibuttons... ibuttons are not wireless. They require a signal and ground connection. Each device is guaranteed to have a unique serial number. They can be easily read and copied (the very basic ones at least). IMHO they are not a fantastic security device. Having said that, I haven't looked at their more recent products (java enabled ibuttons). Anyone had any experience? Regards to all, Stuart Warren This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 13 23:49:36 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28143 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:38:00 GMT From: "Tom Zagotta" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:37:33 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Mark, I guess the question that comes to my mind is, "Why?" What services that Linux provides would be needed on an 8-bit? Why not just write the code? If your application is such that an 8-bit micro is enough, that probably means that you will spend at least half of your time writing code to interface to hardware. Linux is of no help here. The rest of your code is the "application," you know, the logic that makes your product whatever it is, and again, Linux is of no help. Multitasking will probably consist of interrupt routines, and that works great for most smaller embedded systems. Would Linux even fit into the address space of a typical 8-bit micro? Mark, I have a lot of experience with (non-Linux) smaller embedded systems. Why don't you drop me a line and let me know what you are wanting to do. My e-mail address is tzagotta@mich.com. I'd be happy to help if I can. - Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Bishop > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 2:20 PM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > > > > I'm trying to find out as much information about embedded linux and about > any ongoing ports of Linux to 8-bit processors. The company I work for is > thinking about moving over to it if we can only find out the obstacles > that may present themselves to us. Now I know this is probably not even > close to being on topic but I was hoping that maybe some of you have some > sort of experience with either one or both queries for information. > Thanks and I do apologize. > > > ============================================================= > | Mark Bishop || 863.687.8465x3994 || This space | > | Firmware Engineer || www.protelinc.com || avail to | > | Protel Inc || www.suncoastlug.org || rent | > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 01:34:09 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04716 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:24:27 GMT Message-ID: <000701bf15e3$0e5b7ee0$0800005a@bellsouth.net> From: "Will" To: References: <380521FD.EA8786C5@interport.net> <38050E1D.8D96EC3C@AdvancedRelay.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:25:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Embedded Linux Kernel Subset. Homepage: http://www.elks.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ It's for the 8088/86. -Will ----- Original Message ----- From: Mahmut C. Genceli To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > And Elks is ? > > Chris Drelich wrote: > > > > Check out Elks. > > Chris > > > > David Siebert wrote: > > > > > > Linux on an 8bit cpu? ahhh no. Not enough address space. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > > > Behalf Of Mark Bishop > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 2:20 PM > > > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > > Subject: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > > > > > > I'm trying to find out as much information about embedded linux and about > > > any ongoing ports of Linux to 8-bit processors. The company I work for is > > > thinking about moving over to it if we can only find out the obstacles > > > that may present themselves to us. Now I know this is probably not even > > > close to being on topic but I was hoping that maybe some of you have some > > > sort of experience with either one or both queries for information. > > > Thanks and I do apologize. > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > | Mark Bishop || 863.687.8465x3994 || This space | > > > | Firmware Engineer || www.protelinc.com || avail to | > > > | Protel Inc || www.suncoastlug.org || rent | > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 03:38:52 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15632 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 03:26:24 GMT From: James Dekorse Message-Id: <199910140327.UAA08117@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:27:56 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: <65A702C84CCBD111AB0C0000F81F6F6E0605BF02@exchange> from "Bowen, Robert" at Oct 11, 99 10:02:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > I apologize for posting this message here... > > What is "Floating Point - Math?" How and where is it used when programming > in the embbedded/processor/micocontroller world? > > I've done some programming with the 87C51 microcontroller. Which doesn't > have a math co-processor, Does that mean I cannot perform "Floating Point > Math"? floating poit math deals with numbers that are scaled as they are used. if you do fixed point math, the scaling is done prior to execution. you o not need a floating point unit. the standard linux kernel does not allow for foating point due to vatious architectural implementations, but outside the kernel, it is up to whatever library you are using. > > I have done many Arithmatic computations with this microcontroller using the > 16 bit -32 bit ADD, SUB, MUL DIV routines supplied by Intel. How is this > different from floating point math? Does this mean my calculations are > incorrect? How would I benefit from using a co-processor? When does one > decide that the basic ALU in a microcontroller is not sufficient to do math > computations? again , library dependent. the main tradeoff is speed, but in software, any level is possible. > > The most difficult computation I have done with a micro is: > (65535*Vout/20)+32768. I use this to calculate the DACword to write to a > 16-DAC. Using the basic 16/32 bit math functions yields the correct result. > How does this differ from floating point? my guess is that this is fixed point scaled 16 of v/20 + 1/2. > > I guess I am looking for an answer to what exactly us Floating Point? How > does it differ from how I am currently doing my math calculations using the > 87C51. > in the above, the values used in the calculation are pre - multiplied full scale by 2^15 (or 16, i always have to figure this out, 1 bit off), so 32767 = 1, 32768 = -1, 16784 = 1/2 and so on > Any help or direction is would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance for your prompt response. id like to talk aout this, but i only have very limited access to the net right now. just think of scaling so that full scale is 2^15 (or 16 if unsigned), any portion of the scale is represented as a power of 2. good luck and i might write more later if i have time and you dont have a better answer. jim This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 04:21:56 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19712 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 04:11:40 GMT Message-ID: <008e01bf15fa$a252b5c0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <000201bf148b$64ae08c0$2be166d8@kadath.org> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Floating Point Math Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:14:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Stu says:: > What this means is that the uCsimm (probably) doesn't have any built-in > routines for handling floating-point. (It might have a few helper > instructions, like DAA [decimal adjust for addition] like the x86 does.) > You'll basically have to write a floating-point library. uClinux includes a single percision math library and the compiler supports software single percision floating point routines in libgcc.a All you need to do is use float (not double) and it will just work! Yes the library is included on the CD. -- Michael Durrant RT-CONTROL Inc. mdurrant@rt-control.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 04:59:51 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23222 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 04:50:50 GMT Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:52:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Montour X-Sender: mmontour@localhost To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. In-Reply-To: <38050E1D.8D96EC3C@AdvancedRelay.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Mahmut C. Genceli wrote: > And Elks is ? Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset. Seems to be at http://www.elks.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ these days. I know nothing else about it, however. > Chris Drelich wrote: > > Check out Elks. obOnTopic: When will the uCsimms ship? The last estimate I saw on the web page was "early October", and that period ends soon... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 05:22:45 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25215 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 05:13:12 GMT From: Geoffrey Wossum Message-Id: <199910140515.AAA15258@omega.uta.edu> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:15:13 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <000701bf15e3$0e5b7ee0$0800005a@bellsouth.net> from "Will" at Oct 13, 99 09:25:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com 8088 and 8086 are 16bit CPU's with 20 bit address spaces. > Embedded Linux Kernel Subset. > Homepage: http://www.elks.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ > > It's for the 8088/86. 8 bit CPU's (assuming the initial post is correct) have neither the processing power nor the address bus to be running modern operating systems on them. Or even a subset of modern operating systems. If you have an application where you need the features of a modern operating system, then maybe it's time to move on to some modern hardware. --- Geoffrey Wossum gpw0341@omega.uta.edu Project AKO - http://rover1.uta.edu/~ako > > -Will > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mahmut C. Genceli > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 6:56 PM > Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > > > > And Elks is ? > > > > Chris Drelich wrote: > > > > > > Check out Elks. > > > Chris > > > > > > David Siebert wrote: > > > > > > > > Linux on an 8bit cpu? ahhh no. Not enough address space. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Mark Bishop > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 2:20 PM > > > > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > > > Subject: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > > > > > > > > I'm trying to find out as much information about embedded linux and > about > > > > any ongoing ports of Linux to 8-bit processors. The company I work > for is > > > > thinking about moving over to it if we can only find out the obstacles > > > > that may present themselves to us. Now I know this is probably not > even > > > > close to being on topic but I was hoping that maybe some of you have > some > > > > sort of experience with either one or both queries for information. > > > > Thanks and I do apologize. > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > | Mark Bishop || 863.687.8465x3994 || This space | > > > > | Firmware Engineer || www.protelinc.com || avail to | > > > > | Protel Inc || www.suncoastlug.org || rent | > > > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 10:25:57 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19068 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:12:43 GMT Message-ID: <3805AD18.CA715BD4@metris.be> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:14:48 +0200 From: Filip Peters Organization: Metris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI References: <38034A7E.6BF28848@metris.be> <3803B8BD.C1CCED67@btr-auto.aust.com> <38045F78.8D75874F@metris.be> <001801bf15bd$28d652c0$0800005a@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Will wrote: > When you say "learn some java" you mean learn some embedded java, right? > yes. =) > > >From a TINI webpage: > "Note that TINI supports Sun's Embedded Java platform instead of "full > blown" Java. This means that only 100% Pure Embedded Java programs will run > on TINI." Well, I always thought this was what they intended java for, and I also think java is too slow for anything graphical (swing). But java for imbedded stuff could be really great, look at the (relative) succes of the small basicstamp controller. Java programs just look much more structured than basic. Filip Peters fp@metris.be Ps. don't think I see this as a cheap replacement for an uCsimm, I see it more as complementary. For example in places where you use a microcontroller like a 80c52, you could web enable it with a tini, In places where you use a pc, you could replace the pc whith a uCsimm and save a lot of space/money (like the printer diagnostics idea?). Ofcourse this is with hobby budgets in mind, for commercial this can be totally different ! This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 12:21:51 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29586 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:10:39 GMT From: ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov Message-ID: <19991014121243.535.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> Subject: [uCsimm] Re: PalmIII To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 05:12:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <000001bf15ce$a1c8c940$2be166d8@kadath.org> from "Stu" at Oct 13, 99 03:59:41 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Just download XCoPilot and the uClinux port that runs under it. URLs? I looked for uClinux/PalmIII once recently, all I found was a ROM image. > I think the > pilot it emulates only has something like 1 or 2MB RAM. A good way to find > out would be to actually read the docs. That way, you know right away, > instead of hoping someone on the list will answer. Based on reading, not doing, the PalmIIIx has plenty of supported hardware. A major trick is getting the Flash copied over, something that XCoPilot doesn't really address. Some uC chips [*] have a last-resort boot mode that can be engaged without any (working) external ROM. This would be helpful for recovery if you download a broken build of uClinux :-(. If everything works, a PalmOS program that burns Flash would be enough. Can anyone point me (and the rest of the list readership) towards such programs? - Larry * For instance, http://www.cirrus.com/products/overviews/ep7211.html This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 13:47:11 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04445 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:35:18 GMT Message-ID: <3803751A.D1FC3672@tiq.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:51:22 +0200 From: Erik Johansson Organization: erik@tiq.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Keyboard control References: <000701bf134b$c81111a0$0800005a@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.0b Unregistered Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Will wrote: > Here are some links to get you started. Thanks, it's actually damn hard to find quality information. I used a basic stamp around -95, and I'll never use it again. It's probably good for some people but it's not cool/geeky.. ;-) /emj - btw. just saw a 4x40char display on a keyboard going for $300. (Ick..) This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 15:15:10 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12285 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:03:31 GMT Message-ID: <4BDF9F48C7AED01187D800805FA764CA01BB5B49@raesrv05.doa.state.wi.us> From: "Barnett-Lewis, William" To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Re: PalmIII Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:04:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Try http://www.superpilot.com/products.htm for a program that might work. William > -----Original Message----- > From: ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov [SMTP:ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov] > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 7:13 AM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: [uCsimm] Re: PalmIII > > > > Just download XCoPilot and the uClinux port that runs under it. > > URLs? I looked for uClinux/PalmIII once recently, all I found > was a ROM image. > > > I think the > > pilot it emulates only has something like 1 or 2MB RAM. A good way to > find > > out would be to actually read the docs. That way, you know right away, > > instead of hoping someone on the list will answer. > > Based on reading, not doing, the PalmIIIx has plenty of supported > hardware. A major trick is getting the Flash copied over, something > that XCoPilot doesn't really address. Some uC chips [*] have a > last-resort boot mode that can be engaged without any (working) external > ROM. This would be helpful for recovery if you download a broken > build of uClinux :-(. If everything works, a PalmOS program that > burns Flash would be enough. Can anyone point me (and the rest of > the list readership) towards such programs? > > - Larry > > * For instance, http://www.cirrus.com/products/overviews/ep7211.html > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 16:50:28 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20727 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:38:21 GMT Message-ID: <50404BF3B211D211A08D0060086999CF07A168@wingate> From: Cristian Golin To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: R: [uCsimm] TINI Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:34:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi, all > > Another bus, called TTP (Time Triggered Protocol), addresses this issue > and so is more suitable for safety systems. What about TTP? Where can I find informations? Regards, C. Golin This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 17:13:30 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22858 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:02:05 GMT Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:06:39 -0700 From: Stu Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Re: PalmIII In-reply-to: <19991014121243.535.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Message-id: <000201bf1666$7ac26a20$2be166d8@kadath.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > Just download XCoPilot and the uClinux port that runs under it. > > URLs? I looked for uClinux/PalmIII once recently, all I found > was a ROM image. The ROM image is all you need. If you want to actually compile it, go to ftp://ryeham.ee.ryerson.ca/pub/uClinux/. You need the linux distro plus the kit (uclinuxgcc-kit-xxxx I believe). There are instructions somewhere in that directory, or on the uClinux website. > > I think the > > pilot it emulates only has something like 1 or 2MB RAM. A good > way to find > > out would be to actually read the docs. That way, you know right away, > > instead of hoping someone on the list will answer. > > Based on reading, not doing, the PalmIIIx has plenty of supported > hardware. A major trick is getting the Flash copied over, something > that XCoPilot doesn't really address. Some uC chips [*] have a > last-resort boot mode that can be engaged without any (working) external > ROM. This would be helpful for recovery if you download a broken > build of uClinux :-(. If everything works, a PalmOS program that > burns Flash would be enough. Can anyone point me (and the rest of > the list readership) towards such programs? TRG may be able to help you with that (you need one of their older memory cards to do this). This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 17:25:11 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23657 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:11:15 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991014132746.0094c0f0@mail.fnol.net> X-Sender: kerryp@mail.fnol.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:27:46 -0400 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com From: "Kerry W. Podolsky" Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Re: PalmIII In-Reply-To: <19991014121243.535.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> References: <000001bf15ce$a1c8c940$2be166d8@kadath.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Internet2/AlarmNet/Pittway(Release 5.0.1a|August 17, 1999) at 10/14/99 01:12:51 PM, Serialize by Router on Internet2/AlarmNet/Pittway(Release 5.0.1a|August 17, 1999) at 10/14/99 01:13:19 PM, Serialize complete at 10/14/99 01:13:19 PM X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Larry A company called, TRG, makes a product for backing off and restoring the Flash ROM memory. For a nominal fee, you can purchase it. It would also let you install a, different OS (read that as Linux port). ;-) HTH Kerry At 05:12 AM 10/14/99 -0700, you wrote: > >> Just download XCoPilot and the uClinux port that runs under it. > >URLs? I looked for uClinux/PalmIII once recently, all I found >was a ROM image. > >> I think the >> pilot it emulates only has something like 1 or 2MB RAM. A good way to find >> out would be to actually read the docs. That way, you know right away, >> instead of hoping someone on the list will answer. > >Based on reading, not doing, the PalmIIIx has plenty of supported >hardware. A major trick is getting the Flash copied over, something >that XCoPilot doesn't really address. Some uC chips [*] have a >last-resort boot mode that can be engaged without any (working) external >ROM. This would be helpful for recovery if you download a broken >build of uClinux :-(. If everything works, a PalmOS program that >burns Flash would be enough. Can anyone point me (and the rest of >the list readership) towards such programs? > > - Larry > >* For instance, http://www.cirrus.com/products/overviews/ep7211.html >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > > Kerry EMAIL: kerryp@fnol.net IM: KerryP737 ICQ: 39133163 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 18:46:14 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30747 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:31:03 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: ipanema.usc.edu: xuanchen owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:34:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Xuan Chen To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Re: PalmIII In-Reply-To: <4BDF9F48C7AED01187D800805FA764CA01BB5B49@raesrv05.doa.state.wi.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com But, on FAQ in ucLinux's page, it was said that the TRG board is incompatible right now...:( Have you tried it? Thanks, -chen On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Barnett-Lewis, William wrote: > Try http://www.superpilot.com/products.htm for a program that might work. > > William > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov [SMTP:ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov] > > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 7:13 AM > > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > Subject: [uCsimm] Re: PalmIII > > > > > > > Just download XCoPilot and the uClinux port that runs under it. > > > > URLs? I looked for uClinux/PalmIII once recently, all I found > > was a ROM image. > > > > > I think the > > > pilot it emulates only has something like 1 or 2MB RAM. A good way to > > find > > > out would be to actually read the docs. That way, you know right away, > > > instead of hoping someone on the list will answer. > > > > Based on reading, not doing, the PalmIIIx has plenty of supported > > hardware. A major trick is getting the Flash copied over, something > > that XCoPilot doesn't really address. Some uC chips [*] have a > > last-resort boot mode that can be engaged without any (working) external > > ROM. This would be helpful for recovery if you download a broken > > build of uClinux :-(. If everything works, a PalmOS program that > > burns Flash would be enough. Can anyone point me (and the rest of > > the list readership) towards such programs? > > > > - Larry > > > > * For instance, http://www.cirrus.com/products/overviews/ep7211.html > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 19:29:00 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01960 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:15:13 GMT Message-ID: <19991014191713.10661.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.252.104.195] From: "Mert INCEIPLIK" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:16:57 EEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com In fact, 8088 is 8bit, while 8086 is 16bit... Mert >From: Geoffrey Wossum >Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:15:13 -0500 (CDT) > >8088 and 8086 are 16bit CPU's with 20 bit address spaces. > > > Embedded Linux Kernel Subset. > > Homepage: http://www.elks.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ > > > > It's for the 8088/86. > >8 bit CPU's (assuming the initial post is correct) have neither the >processing power nor the address bus to be running modern operating >systems on them. Or even a subset of modern operating systems. > >If you have an application where you need the features of a modern >operating system, then maybe it's time to move on to some modern hardware. > >--- >Geoffrey Wossum >gpw0341@omega.uta.edu >Project AKO - http://rover1.uta.edu/~ako > > > > > -Will > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mahmut C. Genceli > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 6:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > > > > > > > And Elks is ? > > > > > > Chris Drelich wrote: > > > > > > > > Check out Elks. > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > David Siebert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Linux on an 8bit cpu? ahhh no. Not enough address space. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of Mark Bishop > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 2:20 PM > > > > > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > > > > Subject: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to find out as much information about embedded linux >and > > about > > > > > any ongoing ports of Linux to 8-bit processors. The company I >work > > for is > > > > > thinking about moving over to it if we can only find out the >obstacles > > > > > that may present themselves to us. Now I know this is probably >not > > even > > > > > close to being on topic but I was hoping that maybe some of you >have > > some > > > > > sort of experience with either one or both queries for >information. > > > > > Thanks and I do apologize. > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > | Mark Bishop || 863.687.8465x3994 || This space | > > > > > | Firmware Engineer || www.protelinc.com || avail to | > > > > > | Protel Inc || www.suncoastlug.org || rent | > > > > > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > > > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server >http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server >http://www.uClinux.com/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 19:56:55 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04604 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:44:57 GMT Message-ID: <00c401bf167c$a9d35b60$5d9ab8a1@p2350nt> From: "Sam Saprunoff" To: References: <000701bf134b$c81111a0$0800005a@bellsouth.net> <007401bf144f$36f37500$5d9ab8a1@p2350nt> Subject: [uCsimm] Intro to uCLinux /uCsimm Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:45:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi everyone! I am new to Linux and uCLinux, etc and I would appreciate any information (links, books, articles) that would assist me into understanding (functionality and development tools) how to utilize Linux in an embedded controller application (68332 based). I have ordered the uCsimm to assist me into learning, but would like some other background info as well. Further, I understand that the uCLinux has been ported to the '332, but I am unable to find it. Does anyone know where this port is? Thanks in advance! Cheers, Sam Sam Saprunoff sams2@telusplanet.net This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 20:16:21 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06501 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:05:55 GMT From: "Tom Zagotta" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] TINI Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:05:41 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <50404BF3B211D211A08D0060086999CF07A168@wingate> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com C. Golin, Try here: http://www.vmars.tuwien.ac.at/projects/ttp/ttpmain.html - Tom Zagotta > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > Behalf Of Cristian Golin > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 12:35 PM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: R: [uCsimm] TINI > > > Hi, all > > > > Another bus, called TTP (Time Triggered Protocol), addresses this > issue > > and so is more suitable for safety systems. > What about TTP? > Where can I find informations? > > Regards, > C. Golin > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 20:41:27 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08755 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:31:15 GMT Message-ID: <001601bf161b$9368a4e0$0101010a@dave.karlsen> From: "Rodney Arne Karlsen" To: References: <38034A7E.6BF28848@metris.be><4.2.0.58.19991012170936.02e55930@mail1.dcomm.net> <4.2.0.58.19991012223531.00947210@mail.deepwell.com> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:55:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Sorry to sound ignorant, but what exactly is a CAN bus and where would one use it? thanks Rodney Arne Karlsen This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 20:46:59 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09252 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:36:47 GMT Message-ID: <38064122.541EA281@AdvancedRelay.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:46:26 -0700 From: "Mahmut C. Genceli" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. References: <19991014191713.10661.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com 8088 has an 8 bit external bus other than that it is actually same as 8086 in all other respects. (i.e. it fetches data from external memory in two attempt 8 bit at a time) Mert INCEIPLIK wrote: > > In fact, 8088 is 8bit, while 8086 is 16bit... > > Mert > > >From: Geoffrey Wossum > >Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > >To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > >Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:15:13 -0500 (CDT) > > > >8088 and 8086 are 16bit CPU's with 20 bit address spaces. > > > > > Embedded Linux Kernel Subset. > > > Homepage: http://www.elks.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ > > > > > > It's for the 8088/86. > > > >8 bit CPU's (assuming the initial post is correct) have neither the > >processing power nor the address bus to be running modern operating > >systems on them. Or even a subset of modern operating systems. > > > >If you have an application where you need the features of a modern > >operating system, then maybe it's time to move on to some modern hardware. > > > >--- > >Geoffrey Wossum > >gpw0341@omega.uta.edu > >Project AKO - http://rover1.uta.edu/~ako > > > > > > > > -Will > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Mahmut C. Genceli > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 6:56 PM > > > Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > > > > > > > > > > And Elks is ? > > > > > > > > Chris Drelich wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Check out Elks. > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > David Siebert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux on an 8bit cpu? ahhh no. Not enough address space. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > > > > > > Behalf Of Mark Bishop > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 2:20 PM > > > > > > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > > > > > Subject: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to find out as much information about embedded linux > >and > > > about > > > > > > any ongoing ports of Linux to 8-bit processors. The company I > >work > > > for is > > > > > > thinking about moving over to it if we can only find out the > >obstacles > > > > > > that may present themselves to us. Now I know this is probably > >not > > > even > > > > > > close to being on topic but I was hoping that maybe some of you > >have > > > some > > > > > > sort of experience with either one or both queries for > >information. > > > > > > Thanks and I do apologize. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > | Mark Bishop || 863.687.8465x3994 || This space | > > > > > > | Firmware Engineer || www.protelinc.com || avail to | > > > > > > | Protel Inc || www.suncoastlug.org || rent | > > > > > > > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > > > > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > >http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > >http://www.uClinux.com/ > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 22:24:54 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17945 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:14:08 GMT Message-ID: <3806563A.C77C3475@mytoys.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:16:26 -0400 From: Tom Walsh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. References: <19991014191713.10661.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com 8088 is a 1 Meg address space version of the 8086, just has a 8 bit data path, sort of like an 8086SX... Tom Mert INCEIPLIK wrote: > In fact, 8088 is 8bit, while 8086 is 16bit... > > Mert > > >From: Geoffrey Wossum > >Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > >To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > >Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:15:13 -0500 (CDT) > > > >8088 and 8086 are 16bit CPU's with 20 bit address spaces. > > > > > Embedded Linux Kernel Subset. > > > Homepage: http://www.elks.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ > > > > > > It's for the 8088/86. > > > >8 bit CPU's (assuming the initial post is correct) have neither the > >processing power nor the address bus to be running modern operating > >systems on them. Or even a subset of modern operating systems. > > > >If you have an application where you need the features of a modern > >operating system, then maybe it's time to move on to some modern hardware. > > > >--- > >Geoffrey Wossum > >gpw0341@omega.uta.edu > >Project AKO - http://rover1.uta.edu/~ako > > > > > > > > -Will > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Mahmut C. Genceli > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 6:56 PM > > > Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > > > > > > > > > > And Elks is ? > > > > > > > > Chris Drelich wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Check out Elks. > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > David Siebert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux on an 8bit cpu? ahhh no. Not enough address space. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > > > > > > Behalf Of Mark Bishop > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 2:20 PM > > > > > > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > > > > > Subject: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to find out as much information about embedded linux > >and > > > about > > > > > > any ongoing ports of Linux to 8-bit processors. The company I > >work > > > for is > > > > > > thinking about moving over to it if we can only find out the > >obstacles > > > > > > that may present themselves to us. Now I know this is probably > >not > > > even > > > > > > close to being on topic but I was hoping that maybe some of you > >have > > > some > > > > > > sort of experience with either one or both queries for > >information. > > > > > > Thanks and I do apologize. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > | Mark Bishop || 863.687.8465x3994 || This space | > > > > > > | Firmware Engineer || www.protelinc.com || avail to | > > > > > > | Protel Inc || www.suncoastlug.org || rent | > > > > > > > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > > > > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > >http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > >http://www.uClinux.com/ > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 22:28:06 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18287 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:18:00 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: tampico.usc.edu: xuanchen owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:20:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Xuan Chen To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Re: PalmIII In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19991014132746.0094c0f0@mail.fnol.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Kerry W. Podolsky wrote: > Larry > > A company called, TRG, makes a product for backing off and > restoring the Flash ROM memory. Another question: must we use TRG boear? For more memory or anything else? Can we do that directly on Palm III or Palm IIIx? That later does have 4M RAM, probably enough.... or Palm does not want some other os to be loaded into its flash...:) > > For a nominal fee, you can purchase it. > It would also let you install a, different OS (read that as Linux port). ;-) > > HTH > > Kerry > > At 05:12 AM 10/14/99 -0700, you wrote: > > > >> Just download XCoPilot and the uClinux port that runs under it. > > > >URLs? I looked for uClinux/PalmIII once recently, all I found > >was a ROM image. > > > >> I think the > >> pilot it emulates only has something like 1 or 2MB RAM. A good way to find > >> out would be to actually read the docs. That way, you know right away, > >> instead of hoping someone on the list will answer. > > > >Based on reading, not doing, the PalmIIIx has plenty of supported > >hardware. A major trick is getting the Flash copied over, something > >that XCoPilot doesn't really address. Some uC chips [*] have a > >last-resort boot mode that can be engaged without any (working) external > >ROM. This would be helpful for recovery if you download a broken > >build of uClinux :-(. If everything works, a PalmOS program that > >burns Flash would be enough. Can anyone point me (and the rest of > >the list readership) towards such programs? > > > > - Larry > > > >* For instance, http://www.cirrus.com/products/overviews/ep7211.html > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > Kerry > EMAIL: kerryp@fnol.net > IM: KerryP737 > ICQ: 39133163 > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 22:48:47 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20256 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:39:25 GMT From: Donald Jeff Dionne Message-Id: <199910142220.WAA00677@RyeHam.ee.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:20:44 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <19991014191713.10661.qmail@hotmail.com> from "Mert INCEIPLIK" at Oct 14, 99 10:16:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > > In fact, 8088 is 8bit, while 8086 is 16bit... Actually, this is no more true than calling the 68328 a 16 bit machine. Internally, 8088 is a 16 bit machine with an external 8 bit data bus, 68328 is a 32 bit machine with an external 8 or 16 bit bus. Of course, both can operate on shorter word sizes, (and the 68000 manual calls it an 8/16/32 bit machine) but that's not the point. It's really the width of the registers and therefore the data types that is important, not the external bus width. >From the point of view of uClinux, the real issue is mostly one of large enough continuous address space. Compilers can deal with the word size at the (at the expense of code size, efficiency and speed). I guess you could fake the address space too (yuck, let's not go there). Jeff. > > Mert This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 14 23:34:08 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24298 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:25:07 GMT Message-ID: <38066703.A96A5558@btr-auto.aust.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:28:03 +1000 From: "Stuart Warren" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com X-Return-Path: SWarren@btr-auto.aust.com Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com There was an article in circuit cellar ink about 5 months ago that discussed TTP. Regards, Stuart Warren Tom Zagotta wrote: > > C. Golin, > > Try here: > > http://www.vmars.tuwien.ac.at/projects/ttp/ttpmain.html > > - Tom Zagotta > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > > Behalf Of Cristian Golin > > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 12:35 PM > > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > Subject: R: [uCsimm] TINI > > > > > > Hi, all > > > > > > Another bus, called TTP (Time Triggered Protocol), addresses this > > issue > > > and so is more suitable for safety systems. > > What about TTP? > > Where can I find informations? > > > > Regards, > > C. Golin > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 15 02:24:14 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06376 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:13:11 GMT Message-ID: <38068E08.1CFBB119@emlinux.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:14:32 -0700 From: Joel Williams Organization: emlinux X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. References: <19991014191713.10661.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Mert INCEIPLIK wrote: > > In fact, 8088 is 8bit, while 8086 is 16bit... > > Mert > To expand on this. the 8088 has an 8 bit bus, but a 16 bit internal architecture, identical to the 8086. In fact, the same software runs on both, and can not tell the difference (except that the 8088 is slower due to slower bus accesses). Joel Williams joel@emlinux.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 15 10:52:15 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18962 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:42:28 GMT Message-ID: <3806EAAF.FCB6E57A@umbc.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:49:51 -0700 From: Jason Hihn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] Maybe Newsgroup time? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com With almost 200 posts in 30 days, and nothing delivered yet, may I suggest that we create a news group comp.hardware.embeded.uclinux or something simular? I figure that with something like 900 units sold (is this right?) and possible ship-able devices, that we will outgrow a mailing list; and getting the 100 votes or whatever should be easy. Just a suggestion This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 15 10:59:19 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19675 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:50:30 GMT Message-Id: <199910151050.KAA19663@ampr.rt-control.com> From: "Alan Ward" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:07:25 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi, all. The 8088/8086 is a 8080 with more registers. So we're talking about 4-bit technology (4004) that moved up to 8-bit (8008, 8080) that moved up to 16-bit. Heck, some versions of the 8088 are even pin-compatible with the 8085. So you can understand why Linux development is done on 386DX and upwards! At least it's a 32 bit, with a flat memory model available, same as the 68030. Both support RAM paging, which I think is also required for true multitasking. While we're off topic :-) , has anybody on the list used a 64 bit uC (eg. MIPS) or a graphics RISC uC (eg. i860) ? I'd like to hack around the equivalent of ucsimm with one of these (or a PCI processor card), but can't find the info. Any help appreciated. Cheers, Alan Ward This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 15 11:31:54 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22321 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:20:23 GMT Message-ID: <001101bf16e4$2bf08200$0800005a@bellsouth.net> From: "Will" To: References: <38066703.A96A5558@btr-auto.aust.com> Subject: [uCsimm] uC/uP sources Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:06:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com What are some good sources for buying small quantities (like 1 or 2) of microcontrollers (and also microprocessors)? I am interested in the following: mc68hc05/mc68hc11 Coldfire m68020 Also, I tried to order similar quantities of the same Cirrus cs9800 ethernet chip used in the uCsimm but couldn't find a place that would sell me just a few of them. Where do you guys get these parts? Thanks, Will This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 15 11:32:53 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22304 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:20:15 GMT From: Geoffrey Wossum Message-Id: <199910150340.WAA29133@omega.uta.edu> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:40:22 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <19991014191713.10661.qmail@hotmail.com> from "Mert INCEIPLIK" at Oct 14, 99 10:16:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > In fact, 8088 is 8bit, while 8086 is 16bit... > > Mert No, both are 16 bit processors. Both have a 20 bit address space. The difference is the data bus. 8088 has an 8 bit data bus, while the 8086 has a 16 bit data bus. This does not change the fact that both are 16 bit processors. The 8086 came first. Then Intel made the 8088, essentially a cheapened 8086 by cutting the data bus to 8 bit. This also made motherboards designed around the 8088 simpler and cheaper than 8086 motherboards. They run the same code in the exact same manner, but the 8088 has to stall more because of its smaller data bus. This is similar to what Intel did later with the 80386 and 80386SX. --- Geoffrey Wossum gpw0341@omega.uta.edu Project AKO - http://rover1.uta.edu/~ako > > >From: Geoffrey Wossum > >Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > >To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > >Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:15:13 -0500 (CDT) > > > >8088 and 8086 are 16bit CPU's with 20 bit address spaces. > > > > > Embedded Linux Kernel Subset. > > > Homepage: http://www.elks.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ > > > > > > It's for the 8088/86. > > > >8 bit CPU's (assuming the initial post is correct) have neither the > >processing power nor the address bus to be running modern operating > >systems on them. Or even a subset of modern operating systems. > > > >If you have an application where you need the features of a modern > >operating system, then maybe it's time to move on to some modern hardware. > > > >--- > >Geoffrey Wossum > >gpw0341@omega.uta.edu > >Project AKO - http://rover1.uta.edu/~ako > > > > > > > > -Will > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Mahmut C. Genceli > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 6:56 PM > > > Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > > > > > > > > > > And Elks is ? > > > > > > > > Chris Drelich wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Check out Elks. > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > David Siebert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux on an 8bit cpu? ahhh no. Not enough address space. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > > > > > > Behalf Of Mark Bishop > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 2:20 PM > > > > > > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > > > > > Subject: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to find out as much information about embedded linux > >and > > > about > > > > > > any ongoing ports of Linux to 8-bit processors. The company I > >work > > > for is > > > > > > thinking about moving over to it if we can only find out the > >obstacles > > > > > > that may present themselves to us. Now I know this is probably > >not > > > even > > > > > > close to being on topic but I was hoping that maybe some of you > >have > > > some > > > > > > sort of experience with either one or both queries for > >information. > > > > > > Thanks and I do apologize. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > | Mark Bishop || 863.687.8465x3994 || This space | > > > > > > | Firmware Engineer || www.protelinc.com || avail to | > > > > > > | Protel Inc || www.suncoastlug.org || rent | > > > > > > > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > > > > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > > > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > >http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > > > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > >http://www.uClinux.com/ > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 15 11:38:32 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23134 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:29:38 GMT Message-ID: <19991015084431.25800.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.252.104.195] From: "Mert INCEIPLIK" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:44:27 EEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >From: "Rodney Arne Karlsen" >Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >To: >Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:55:35 +0200 > >Sorry to sound ignorant, but what exactly is a CAN bus and where would one >use it? > >thanks > >Rodney Arne Karlsen > CAN stands for "Control Area Network". U'd better see this. http://www.flde.com/animation/800x600/CANsim/index.htm Mert, Ps. Thanks to all who explained "8088 is 8bit[ BUS :^) ]" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 15 12:14:48 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26351 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:06:16 GMT From: "Tom Zagotta" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] TINI Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:06:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001601bf161b$9368a4e0$0101010a@dave.karlsen> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Rodney, CAN is "Controller Area Network" and it is a multi-drop, two-wire network standard developed by Bosch with some help from Intel. CAN defines some lower layers of the protocol such as the size and structure of messages and how the nodes arbitrate on the network. Other protocols, e.g., DeviceNet, provide higher protocol layers that use CAN to get the messages from one point to another on the network. CAN is widely used in Europe in automotive/truck/bus networks that link engine controllers, transmission controllers, instrument panels, radios, body controllers, etc. In the states, CAN is widely used in truck & bus, and is gaining more acceptance in automotive, replacing SAE J1850. CAN is also used in many non-automotive applications such as factory-floor automation and probably lots of other areas that I don't know about. The neat thing about CAN is that it is available as a built-in module in many new microcontrollers, so if you have a bunch of embedded systems that you want to talk to one another, it's easy to do this. CAN is significantly cheaper per node to implement than Ethernet, although it's not as fast as Ethernet. Typical CAN bus speeds are 250, 500, and 1000 kbits/sec. There is lots of information on the Internet on CAN...search for "Controller Area Network" in any of the search engines. Here is a link to some CAN information on CAN from Intel: http://developer.intel.com/design/auto/can/datashts/INDEX.HTM The Standard itself is available somewhere on Bosch's web site (www.bosch.de). I hope this explaination helps...please feel free to e-mail me directly (tzagotta@mich.com) if you have any other questions on CAN. - Tom Zagotta > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > Behalf Of Rodney Arne Karlsen > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 2:56 AM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: Re: [uCsimm] TINI > > > Sorry to sound ignorant, but what exactly is a CAN bus and where would one > use it? > > thanks > > Rodney Arne Karlsen > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 15 15:33:41 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10908 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:22:16 GMT Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:30:20 -0700 (PDT) From: David Smead To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Maybe Newsgroup time? In-Reply-To: <3806EAAF.FCB6E57A@umbc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Jason, I, for one, don't have a news feed. Sincerely, David Smead Please visit our web site -- amplepower.com. On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, Jason Hihn wrote: > With almost 200 posts in 30 days, and nothing delivered yet, may I > suggest that we create a news group comp.hardware.embeded.uclinux or > something simular? I figure that with something like 900 units sold (is > this right?) and possible ship-able devices, that we will outgrow a > mailing list; and getting the 100 votes or whatever should be easy. > > Just a suggestion > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 15 16:02:46 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13576 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:52:32 GMT Message-ID: <38074E4E.DD064BFC@mytoys.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:54:54 -0400 From: Tom Walsh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] uC/uP sources References: <38066703.A96A5558@btr-auto.aust.com> <001101bf16e4$2bf08200$0800005a@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I usually don't buy the processors and other "toys". What I usually do is contact the Manufacturers' Representative, explain what it is that I need, we chat about what the intended application is to be, and they send me some samples. The reps are anxious to get the parts into the hands of engineers who can then design them into a product, thus ensuring a continued outlet for the product. In some cases, the manufacturer will sell small quantities directly to the engineers by credit card purchase, Dallas Semi does this. In other cases, you ask the manufacturer for a list of suppliers, then go to the suppliers to see if they will sell small quantities. In the case of Future Electronics, they won't sell small lots, but they have a division, FAI, that is able to sell in small lot quantities. Tom Will wrote: > What are some good sources for buying small quantities (like 1 or 2) of > microcontrollers (and also microprocessors)? I am interested in the > following: > mc68hc05/mc68hc11 > Coldfire > m68020 > > Also, I tried to order similar quantities of the same Cirrus cs9800 ethernet > chip used in the uCsimm but couldn't find a place that would sell me just a > few of them. Where do you guys get these parts? > > Thanks, > Will > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Fri Oct 15 16:45:17 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17423 for ucsimm-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:35:41 GMT From: Geoffrey Wossum Message-Id: <199910151637.LAA21949@omega.uta.edu> Subject: [uCsimm] uCsimm pinout To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:37:32 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hello, Will the uCsimm that ships be the same pinout as described in the PDF on the uclinux.com page? --- Geoffrey Wossum gpw0341@omega.uta.edu Project AKO - http://rover1.uta.edu/~ako This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sat Oct 16 03:54:57 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11420 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 03:45:11 GMT Message-Id: <199910160347.NAA23556@piglet.dstc.edu.au> To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Kinda off topic. X-Attribution: davida X-Files: wednesday, 8:30pm X-URL: X-Face: 2#;/avfeVL:b Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:47:13 +1000 From: David Arnold Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com -->"Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Wossum writes: Geoffrey> The 8086 came first. Then Intel made the 8088, Geoffrey> essentially a cheapened 8086 by cutting the data bus to 8 Geoffrey> bit. This also made motherboards designed around the 8088 Geoffrey> simpler and cheaper than 8086 motherboards. ... because you could use their existing peripheral chips (from the 8080/8085 line) which all used an 8 bit data bus without requiring glue logic. d This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sat Oct 16 10:00:26 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11239 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:52:26 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: alameda.usc.edu: xuanchen owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:51:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Xuan Chen To: John Gay cc: Tom Walsh , "ucsimm@uClinux.org" Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? In-Reply-To: <80256807.0020ACE3.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, John Gay wrote: > > Don't mind my address, I'm just a satisfied user, but Palm OS is much better and > smaller than WinCE. The first argument is the small size. Palm OS fits in less > than 1M of flash. What about ucliux, how much memory will it require? I need the information quite urgently... Maybe, I can compile the code to have a look? thanks, -chen The API's are much easier to use and more applicable to > hand-held devices. Therefore, applications written for Palm are much smaller. > compare the few applications that have been ported to both platforms for size. > Third, Palm accounts for the majority of the PDA market, WinCE is a definite > minority in this field. There are literally thousands of applications already > available for the Palm OS. I realise that Palm is not exactly 'Open Source', but > licences ARE available, and 3COM doesn't have a reputation of buying out or > shutting down it competition, it welcomes it. Competition is what drives > improvements. I would prefer an 'Open Source' OS as well, but the front-end and > applications for uCLinux are probably quite some time away, as yet. Palm OS > would be an easier, quicker solution to trying to get uCLinux to suit your > requirements right now. Although I'm looking forward to the day I can pull out > my PDA, slip on the display shades and start using WindowMaker on a virtual > display with a simple joystick interface while walking down the street! > > Again, I must re-iterate, I am NOT a sales person for Palm or in any way > connected with sales or licensing. I just enjoy the Palm devices I've bought and > have been following it's developments for the last two years or so. If you are > interested in licensing info, please check with 3COM directly. www.3com.com > would probably be a good starting point. I hope this helps. > > Cheers, > > John Gay > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sat Oct 16 10:24:46 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13435 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:17:14 GMT X-Lotus-FromDomain: 3COM From: "John Gay" To: Xuan Chen cc: Tom Walsh , "ucsimm@uClinux.org" Message-ID: <8025680C.0039B5E5.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:18:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com uCLinux requires, as far as I know, 4M of total RAM memory for RAM disks when booting. I'm not sure how much flash is needed for the OS, though. The main reason for uCLinux is the non-MMU, not necessarily small size. I've seen some special, reduced-sized Linux's that actually fit on a single floppy. I'm not an expert on small Linux's, I've just followed many different distributions. As for Palm OS, I know it fits in less than 1M of flash memory. The original devices had only 256K of RAM. You would need to contact Palm for the licensing info. Maybe someone from the list could fill in the memory requirements for Linux. Cheers, John Gay This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sat Oct 16 19:05:16 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25953 for ucsimm-list; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:46:03 GMT Message-ID: <38086353.1F9C66C2@tiq.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:36:51 +0200 From: Erik Johansson Organization: erik@tiq.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Maybe Newsgroup time? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.0b Unregistered Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com David Smead wrote: > I, for one, don't have a news feed. No probs, you can use the mailing list as a moderator that aproves of all newsposts and forwards them to the mailinglist, and the mails could in the same fashin be sent to a NNTP server. I know debian used this before. /emj This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sun Oct 17 04:17:56 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10264 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 04:07:30 GMT Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:12:07 +0800 (SGT) From: Alf X-Sender: alf@dupre.mdk.org To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Maybe Newsgroup time? In-Reply-To: <38086353.1F9C66C2@tiq.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com How about a web forum instead ? I can arrange one to host for you guys... Elvin - On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Erik Johansson wrote: > Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:36:51 +0200 > From: Erik Johansson > Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Maybe Newsgroup time? > > > > David Smead wrote: > > I, for one, don't have a news feed. > > > No probs, you can use the mailing list as a moderator that aproves of > all newsposts and forwards them to the mailinglist, and the mails could > in the same fashin be sent to a NNTP server. I know debian used this > before. > > /emj > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sun Oct 17 05:34:43 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17146 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 05:25:07 GMT From: Glen Harris Message-Id: <199910170515.PAA21350@solwarra.gbrmpa.gov.au> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Maybe Newsgroup time? To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:15:07 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Alf" at Oct 17, 99 12:12:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com According to Alf: > > How about a web forum instead ? > > I can arrange one to host for you guys... > Yech! That's the worst solution. Mailing list is best, perhaps split between hardware, firmware(drivers, etc), O/S and system utils, and application programming. Second is newsgroups, though propogation delays of up to three days are a _big_ problem. Disclaimer: This is based on my personal experience, and may bear no relation to reality. Glen, waiting impatiently for my order! This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sun Oct 17 15:34:08 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04895 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:24:10 GMT Message-ID: <01b901bf18b4$1b28c5a0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <199910151637.LAA21949@omega.uta.edu> Subject: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:27:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Geoffrey Wossum asks: > Will the uCsimm that ships be the same pinout as described in the PDF on > the uclinux.com page? Yes the pin out is the same. The changes on the board that we have made to Rev 2 did not impact the pinouts. Stu suggested: > If you want to actually compile it, go to > ftp://ryeham.ee.ryerson.ca/pub/uClinux/. You need the linux distro plus the > kit (uclinuxgcc-kit-xxxx I believe). There are instructions somewhere in > that directory, or on the uClinux website. ftp://ryeham.ee.ryerson.ca/pub/uClinux is a mirror of http://www.uclinux.org/pub/uClinux . The ftp://ryeham.ee.ryerson.ca machine will disappear when we set up a machine to handle ftp://ftp.uclinux.org The uClinux 2.0.38.0 CD is now shipping for those who ordered only the CD. So if any one needs it ... they can be ordered at our secure page https://www.uclinux.com/orderdesk Stu write: > Great! I didn't know there would be an actual manual. :) Yes ... the uCsimm/uClinux CD ships with a 54 page manual. > Umm... I hate to nag, but can I talk you into posting some larger pics? Jeff's digital camera can't handle a higher resolution. I will get out an buy some film later next week and post a few higher resolution pics. -- Michael Durrant RT-CONTROL Inc. mdurrant@rt-control.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sun Oct 17 15:41:15 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05602 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:32:09 GMT Message-ID: <01c701bf18b5$39955b60$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: <8025680C.0039B5E5.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com> Subject: [uCsimm] more questions and answers Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:35:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com John writes: > uCLinux requires, as far as I know, 4M of total RAM memory for RAM disks when > booting. I'm not sure how much flash is needed for the OS, though. The main > reason for uCLinux is the non-MMU, not necessarily small size. I've seen some > special, reduced-sized Linux's that actually fit on a single floppy. I'm not an > expert on small Linux's, I've just followed many different distributions. ... stuff deleted > Maybe someone from the list could fill in the memory requirements for Linux. The minimum practical memory configuration for uClinux is 1 MB of FLASH and 1 MB of DRAM. The kernel can be made to boot into 512 KB of RAM but it would be very restrictive and without any real practical use. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sun Oct 17 19:37:57 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26534 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:26:29 GMT From: ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov Message-ID: <19991017192842.5157.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Maybe Newsgroup time? To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:28:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199910170515.PAA21350@solwarra.gbrmpa.gov.au> from "Glen Harris" at Oct 17, 99 03:15:07 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > How about a web forum instead ? > > Yech! That's the worst solution. Mailing list is best, perhaps split > between hardware, firmware(drivers, etc), O/S and system utils, and > application programming. Second is newsgroups, though propogation delays > of up to three days are a _big_ problem. I don't know if it's time to split up yet or not. I agree that web forums and newsgroups suck, although a decent gateway to a web archive and newsgroups is fine, in addition. Just make sure that the direct e-mail infrastructure is kept in place. - Larry Doolittle This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Sun Oct 17 19:44:25 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27131 for ucsimm-list; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:32:52 GMT From: ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov Message-ID: <19991017193506.5164.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:35:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <01b901bf18b4$1b28c5a0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> from "Michael Durrant" at Oct 17, 99 11:27:18 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Guys - > > Umm... I hate to nag, but can I talk you into posting some larger pics? > > Jeff's digital camera can't handle a higher resolution. I will get out an > buy > some film later next week and post a few higher resolution pics. How about a less artistic shot on Jeff's digital camera, that shows fewer fingers and more board? You could even mosaic shots of the left and right halves of the board. - Larry Doolittle This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 00:13:33 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18616 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:03:09 GMT Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:04:45 -0400 (EDT) From: billy ball X-Sender: bball@green.home.org To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] availability? In-Reply-To: <19991017192842.5157.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com hello - a couple questions if you will from a new mail list member: - i placed an order for a complete kit, but was wondering about the availability? are the complete kits shipping? - does the uscimm come with a flashed Linux OS? i was wondering about initial connectivity (default IP address, etc.)... - does the kit come with flash utilities to install/restore Linux? - is there a pointer to a list of what's included or required on an initial filesystem? thanks in advance, regards, billy ball bball@staffnet.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 02:59:29 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00464 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 02:50:23 GMT Message-ID: <002a01bf1913$f99aad80$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: Subject: [uCsimm] more Questions and Answers Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:53:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > - does the uCsimm come with a flashed Linux OS? i was wondering about > initial connectivity (default IP address, etc.)... Yes. The default ip address is 192.168.1.200 all documented in the manual. > - does the kit come with flash utilities to install/restore Linux? Yes. Built into our customer bootloader. > - is there a pointer to a list of what's included or required on an > initial filesystem? The manual describes the initial filesystem. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 05:21:48 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12993 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 05:11:14 GMT Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:13:22 -0700 From: John Kennedy To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] more Questions and Answers Message-ID: <19991017221322.A24399@akasha.net.chico.ca.us> References: <002a01bf1913$f99aad80$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AqsLC8rIMeq19msA" X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <002a01bf1913$f99aad80$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 10:53:32PM -0400, Michael Durrant wrote: ... What about his *first* question? "- i placed an order for a complete kit, but was wondering about the availability? are the complete kits shipping?" I've seen it asked a few times on the list, but never answered. The original timeframe was late September or early October. We're into mid-October by anyone's definition. --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: CGjPo8IVsKqnkDao5OvTlqpYzBLYhzJT iQEVAwUBOAqscU6190BNFFd7AQGtSAgAo6OBJgMlKG1Rovok83mtVsnsPWU4cQoY H45gNKwv01MLQSw3u8I6C8tO42+GvukywmHbq0uwyPoYyTI6hwsZi25Y5/C2kuJd izEO8OGgBKHSLp3/zNYFOe5TWYSoN/i7e1Ncev4XinYmPmg+cRowbLO6b+2hnrpr d3dfD4wfoOUFEP2ujRyKADOnHHW3U9DcpI0+gsqOih4K/OWEj03lXoj+ATTabJbi WhLFJkraioE4sSqaPF6cYOjxCcFKlg4HcQn6EBx/vd0grYJmw97mKHsUDTkBGh0k zKy6LP0aLSxNXZp0fSyUFUEkANW2QPa89kqIl36J0eXsqbFJWm1ZFA== =loAn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA-- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 08:14:53 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28262 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:02:58 GMT Message-ID: <380AD507.6BA3332C@wfw.wtb.tue.nl> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:06:32 +0200 From: Marcel Wijlaars Organization: Eindhoven University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ucsimm@uClinux.com" Subject: [uCsimm] uCsimm order? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi all Just a question to all the people who orderd a uCsimm module: Did any of you actualy receive one? I have ordered one (and payed for it by international bank check) about three months ago and did not receive a uCsimm module yet. I also haven't read anything on this list about shipping dates. Does anyone know something more? thanks in advance, -- Marcel Wijlaars (+31) 40 2472834 Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, section Materials Technology Eindhoven University of Technology, P.O. Box 513 NL-5600 MB Eindhoven The Netherlands This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 12:32:12 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18353 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:19:47 GMT Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA44D@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: [uCsimm] list test Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:21:55 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ampr.rt-control.com id MAA18338 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Michael Durrant [SMTP:mdurrant@rt-control.com] > Date: lundi 18 octobre 1999 04:54 > À: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Objet: [uCsimm] more Questions and Answers > > Test > > Michael, > Sorry, but someone in my office has deleted a few mails, including the last one you addressed me. > > If you get that message, then I'm well connected to the list and all is OK. > Otherwise, if you don't receive it, then it's impossible you can read these words. > Regards, > Jean-Luc LE BEC > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 15:12:59 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32218 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:57:07 GMT Message-Id: From: mdevon@spies.com (Mark Devon) Subject: Re: [uCsimm] uCsimm order? To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:59:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <380AD507.6BA3332C@wfw.wtb.tue.nl> from "Marcel Wijlaars" at Oct 18, 99 10:06:32 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I ordered mine a couple weeks ago and havent seen anything... This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 16:15:42 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05304 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:02:00 GMT From: "J. William McCarthy" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] more Questions and Answers Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:05:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1195E680516DD31185CD009027B6FFDD2E81@BRUTUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <1195E680516DD31185CD009027B6FFDD030222@BRUTUS> Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Yeah. I ordered one for a college class project assuming it would be here early october at the latest. What's the hold up? --JB On Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 10:53:32PM -0400, Michael Durrant wrote: ... What about his *first* question? "- i placed an order for a complete kit, but was wondering about the availability? are the complete kits shipping?" I've seen it asked a few times on the list, but never answered. The original timeframe was late September or early October. We're into mid-October by anyone's definition. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 16:32:38 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07005 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:21:04 GMT From: "Stu" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] uCsimm order? Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:25:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000601bf1985$5faa3c00$2be166d8@kadath.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <380AD507.6BA3332C@wfw.wtb.tue.nl> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Per his message on 9/30, Mike Durrant had all of our orders back from the manufacturer, and was getting ready to ship it all. I expect mine by October 31 at the latest. Mike, is that about right? The process of flashing uClinux onto all the boards was supposed to take about a week, and then of course they (and the manuals) have to be dropped into shipping containers of some sort and then taken to the local post office or whatever... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > Behalf Of Marcel Wijlaars > Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 1:07 AM > To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Subject: [uCsimm] uCsimm order? > > > Hi all > > > Just a question to all the people who orderd a uCsimm module: Did any of > you actualy receive one? > I have ordered one (and payed for it by international bank check) about > three months ago and did not receive a uCsimm module yet. I also haven't > read anything on this list about shipping dates. > Does anyone know something more? > > thanks in advance, > > -- > Marcel Wijlaars (+31) 40 2472834 > Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, section Materials Technology > Eindhoven University of Technology, P.O. Box 513 NL-5600 MB Eindhoven > The Netherlands > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 16:34:47 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07211 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:23:20 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:25:21 -0700 From: "Aaron J. Grier" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] Re: Compile question. Message-ID: <19991018092521.A3852@aaron.fryebox.com> Mail-Followup-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com References: <48256804.0028D349.00@TWTPENS1.ACER.COM.TW> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <48256804.0028D349.00@TWTPENS1.ACER.COM.TW>; from Bobby_Lai@acer.com.tw on Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 03:27:03PM +0800 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com On Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 03:27:03PM +0800, Bobby_Lai@acer.com.tw wrote: > > > I am trying to compile a vmlinux.rom by myself. > I have got the files from www.uclinux.com. My tartget bare-board is Dragon > Ball. > > The error message that I found is : [SNIP] > ../../uC-libc/libc.a(setpgrp.o)(.text+0xe):setpgrp.c: undefined reference > to `d1' > ../../uC-libc/libc.a(setpgrp.o)(.text+0x18):setpgrp.c: undefined reference > to `d2' [SNIP] > Could some one tell me what can I do ? Do some problems in my libc.a file > ?? you need to somehow add '-Wa,--register-prefix-optional' to your gcc compile line... or figure out where d1 and d2 are in your source and use '%d1' and '%d2' instead. -- Aaron J. Grier | Frye Electronics, Tigard, OR | aaron@frye.com "[P]ostulating that the VAX architecture would be missing any instruction `XYZ' is like playing Russian roulette with five bullets instead of one." -- Dave McGuire on port-vax This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 17:04:22 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09733 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:51:31 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Montour X-Sender: mmontour@netwinder.ungated.com To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Maybe Newsgroup time? In-Reply-To: <199910170515.PAA21350@solwarra.gbrmpa.gov.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, Glen Harris wrote: > Yech! That's the worst solution. Mailing list is best, perhaps split > between hardware, firmware(drivers, etc), O/S and system utils, and > application programming. Second is newsgroups, though propogation delays > of up to three days are a _big_ problem. An easy fix for the newsgroup propagation delay is to set up a private news server (which also solves the problem of people without a regular NNTP feed). The Netwinder developers (www.netwinder.org) did this a while ago, and it seems to work quite well. > Glen, waiting impatiently for my order! Me Too This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 17:20:59 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10846 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:03:57 GMT Message-ID: <27820979A172D3118EC5009027B09FE10237E3@NTEXEC> From: Alex Perry To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:06:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > The uClinux 2.0.38.0 CD is now shipping for those who ordered only the > CD. So if any one needs it ... they can be ordered at our secure page [...] What is the timeline for those who were stupid enough to place their order for modules and CDs at the same time ? This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 17:40:48 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12974 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:27:41 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:29:41 -0400 (EDT) From: billy ball X-Sender: bball@green.home.org To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] more Questions and Answers In-Reply-To: <002a01bf1913$f99aad80$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, Michael Durrant wrote: > > - does the uCsimm come with a flashed Linux OS? i was wondering about > > initial connectivity (default IP address, etc.)... > > Yes. The default ip address is 192.168.1.200 all documented in the > manual. great! that will make adding it to my lan a snap! > > > - does the kit come with flash utilities to install/restore Linux? > > Yes. Built into our customer bootloader. that sounds good, too... i'm looking forward to receiving the unit... i'd like to demo it at the next Northern Virginia Linux Users group meeting (we meet on the first Saturday of every month at GTE in Chantilly, Va.) we have interesting hardware/software projects discussed nearly every meeting... for example, at the last meeting, a guy brought in a betabrite sign (you know, those large, multi-colored LEDs signs with vertical, horizontal and exploding text and graphics)... he rigged his up somewhat 'ala a Matrix Orbital LCD in his company's network center for across-the-room monitoring of the Linux servers (who, uptime, disk usage, top's 10 processes, etc.)... very nice for a headless server... > > - is there a pointer to a list of what's included or required on an > > initial filesystem? > > The manual describes the initial filesystem. OK... will take a look when the unit and kit arrive... thanks! regards, billy ball bball@staffnet.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 17:47:35 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13570 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:34:25 GMT From: "Tom Weir" To: Subject: [uCsimm] DragonBall VZ? Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:36:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA44D@SRV_COMM> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com So is there any chance that the next rev of the uCsimm will have a Dragonball VZ on it? mmm...color LCD ;) http://infoseek.go.com/Content?arn=BW1230-19991018&qt=PDA&sv=IS&lk=noframes& col=NX&kt=A&ak=news1486 Tom This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 18:38:24 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17863 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:24:04 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:25:58 -0700 From: John Kennedy To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] uCsimm order? Message-ID: <19991018112558.A17722@akasha.net.chico.ca.us> References: <380AD507.6BA3332C@wfw.wtb.tue.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4" X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 07:59:21AM -0700, Mark Devon wrote: > I ordered mine a couple weeks ago and havent seen anything... I had my order in over a month ago -- September 10th. --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: nFi3q08KUOXeO/y3tQRU3iq5apM7ck7y iQEVAwUBOAtmNU6190BNFFd7AQEe9ggAlW5tyPf9KIybOWzEsONOLkI90cLI6Y2V VU39i2nwQ9SCKDIXx2x12IQbICBCXfzPs28lOExh1ml7/D5Iovrsuata3YrQlP05 yrXY0Xwlj+VZZnvxAJ2ScNObNk6haYXf1yYJy7dVMRN8BL20wPTxXkSnint8edAK WVkpCN6GZao3peYmAqjc8zLvNM+6Yvgv7Iqg+owk/jQ1pDp/xnVzhQBWk1KnNcrg x7QRTp4X0w1R8lYwsKTkE3wLcoi84YCpitfpKi9wz3VJQj1muc4A7zewztcn27OI E9/aXYgiCjxwSxjUbqIBiHp1WSRPHbvOES5evUd8PfZ8rXKUmBMdXw== =VSpC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4-- This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 19:11:08 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20740 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:58:15 GMT Message-ID: <380B6E53.781F0F6B@mytoys.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:00:35 -0400 From: Tom Walsh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] uCsimm order? References: <380AD507.6BA3332C@wfw.wtb.tue.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Same here, still waiting after 3 months. I suspect that they underestimated what is actually involved in bringing a PCB into production. Wish I could hear some info, I have some concepts to demonstrate to a potential customer in using Linux for several solutions and I was hoping that the uCsimm would be a "shocking" demonstration of what could be possible. Regards, Tom @mytoys.com Marcel Wijlaars wrote: > Hi all > > Just a question to all the people who orderd a uCsimm module: Did any of > you actualy receive one? > I have ordered one (and payed for it by international bank check) about > three months ago and did not receive a uCsimm module yet. I also haven't > read anything on this list about shipping dates. > Does anyone know something more? > > thanks in advance, > > -- > Marcel Wijlaars (+31) 40 2472834 > Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, section Materials Technology > Eindhoven University of Technology, P.O. Box 513 NL-5600 MB Eindhoven > The Netherlands > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 19:48:01 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23982 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:35:13 GMT Message-ID: <380BA112.11C2EEBA@umbc.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:37:06 -0700 From: Jason Hihn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] New Dragonball CPU out Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com FYI: http://infoseek.go.com/Content?arn=BW1230-19991018&qt=PDA&sv=IS&lk=noframes&col=NX&kt=A&ak=news1486 New Dragonball processor features color LCD and 33Mhz.And just $11 each in quantities of 10,000 or more. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Mon Oct 18 21:37:12 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00765 for ucsimm-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:24:30 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:26:47 -0400 (EDT) From: billy ball X-Sender: bball@green.home.org To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] DragonBall VZ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Tom Weir wrote: > So is there any chance that the next rev of the uCsimm will have a > Dragonball VZ on it? mmm...color LCD ;) > > http://infoseek.go.com/Content?arn=BW1230-19991018&qt=PDA&sv=IS&lk=noframes& > col=NX&kt=A&ak=news1486 not having received a unit yet, nor having access to a manual, what LCD units are recommended for ucsimm? source, cost? (i may be interested in a display)... thanks in advance, billy ball bball@staffnet.com > > Tom > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 19 00:23:02 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15907 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:11:31 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: David Smead To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers In-Reply-To: <27820979A172D3118EC5009027B09FE10237E3@NTEXEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Anxious are we? Cut these guys some slack! I've had a unit on order since July, but I've also been designing systems from the early 1960s, and know how hard it can be sometimes to get everything working. I brought a 68341 PCB up a few years ago, and we went through timing hell to get the DRAM controller working across the range of different size SIMMs. Sure, I'm anxious, but at this time they're only about 6 weeks behind their projection - not bad in the grand scheme of things! I'm sure they are working hard on the project, and very importantly, I want them to do a great job, even if it means a delay. Finally, I think this project could easily turn into a whole new class of computers and computer user's if we put foward the effort to build community around it. The best way to do that is bite your tongue now and then! Sincerely, David Smead On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Alex Perry wrote: > > > The uClinux 2.0.38.0 CD is now shipping for those who ordered only the > > CD. So if any one needs it ... they can be ordered at our secure page > [...] > > What is the timeline for those who were stupid enough to > place their order for modules and CDs at the same time ? > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 19 01:24:54 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21505 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:14:29 GMT Message-ID: <002b01bf19d0$9a488880$1b01a8c0@wrs.com> From: "Daniel Poirot" To: Subject: [uCsimm] How about Motorola? ;-) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:23:48 -0500 Organization: WindRiver Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Looks like the DragonBall isn't dead yet... See: http://mot-sps.com/news_center/press_releases/PR991018A.html This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 19 01:59:18 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24376 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:48:09 GMT From: "Peter Homann" To: Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:50:00 +1000 Message-ID: <000a01bf19d4$425cc380$2e5508cb@peterh.adacel.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi David, I think your missing the point. I'm sure everyone would be happy with a status report, like "We're running 3 weeks late, and expect to ship in early November". That's why airports have displays updating their arrivals and departures. It informs the passengers of what's happening, and stops the staff being constantly hassled with the question, "When is my plane arriving". For me I have a different problem. The Aussie dollar has started to drop against the greenback, due to interest rate rises. As I see it, the soon the board is shipped, the cheaper it will be. Regards, Peter. Peter Homann email: peterh@adacel.com.au Work : +61 3 8530-7755 Adacel Technologies Ltd Fax : +61 3 9596-2960 250 Bay St, Brighton 3186, VIC, AUSTRALIA Mobile : 041 4494578 http://www.adacel.com.au Australian Software Engineering Excellence > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com [mailto:owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com]On > Behalf Of David Smead > Sent: Tuesday, 19 October 1999 3:20 > To: 'ucsimm@uClinux.com' > Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers > > > Anxious are we? > > Cut these guys some slack! I've had a unit on order since > July, but I've > also been designing systems from the early 1960s, and know > how hard it can > be sometimes to get everything working. > > I brought a 68341 PCB up a few years ago, and we went through > timing hell > to get the DRAM controller working across the range of different size > SIMMs. > > Sure, I'm anxious, but at this time they're only about 6 weeks behind > their projection - not bad in the grand scheme of things! > I'm sure they > are working hard on the project, and very importantly, I want > them to do a > great job, even if it means a delay. > > Finally, I think this project could easily turn into a whole > new class of > computers and computer user's if we put foward the effort to build > community around it. The best way to do that is bite your > tongue now and > then! > > Sincerely, > > David Smead > > On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Alex Perry wrote: > > > > > > The uClinux 2.0.38.0 CD is now shipping for those who > ordered only the > > > CD. So if any one needs it ... they can be ordered at > our secure page > > [...] > > > > What is the timeline for those who were stupid enough to > > place their order for modules and CDs at the same time ? > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > This message resent by the > ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 19 04:05:11 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02892 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 03:54:05 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: pkey@mail.syncsystems.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:50:14 -0500 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com From: Paul Key Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I don't think the complaint is about the lack of speed but about the lack of information. Paul Key Synchronous Systems This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 19 06:49:59 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17499 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:38:15 GMT Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA44E@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: [uCsimm] ethernet and processor highlight Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:40:35 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi everybody, - among the wide variety of ethernet controller available and in way of obsolescence on the market, has anybody heard or read about the SMsC LAN91c96 (formerly SMC91C96) ? it seems well designed for 68k interfacing, with 6K ram onboard, 100pqfp ... - in conjunction with 68k cpu, we have an idea of porting linux and Rtlinux on an ARM processor. cirrus logic provide a nice one, with MMU, dram controller, mpeg3 decoding, 2 uarts, lcd interface (suitable for 1/4 vga)... any comments ? bye, Jean-Luc materiel.sa@horoquartz.fr This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 19 08:49:10 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28304 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:39:30 GMT From: Mike Aubury Organization: Aubit Computing Ltd To: Subject: [uCsimm] CS8900A Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:45:57 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99101909481600.11226@dax> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com How is the driver for the ethernet controller on the UCSimm implemented. I'm trying to use this device on an Cirrus Logic evaluation board. Linux is right there, but I cant seem to get the embedded ethernet working. I beleive it connects in the same way on the board I have as with the UCsimm (ie. not via EISA/PCI/ISA but direct into the memory map). Any pointers appreciated. TIA Mike This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 19 12:38:14 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15849 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:28:08 GMT Message-ID: <380C6471.B6868C08@mytoys.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:30:41 -0400 From: Tom Walsh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Agreed! Paul Key wrote: > I don't think the complaint is about the lack of speed but about the > lack of information. > > Paul Key > Synchronous Systems > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 19 15:17:14 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29890 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:04:33 GMT From: hayward@slothmud.org Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:06:52 -0500 (CDT) To: ucsimm@geekcreek.net Subject: [uCsimm] uClinux Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I noticed that the uClinux used with your ucsimm project runs on the same processor as the new palm's (DragonBall EZ?). Is there a project to make uClinux run on any of the newer pilots? What I read on the uClinux site was that it only runs on the older pilots, like the palm professional. -- Brian This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 19 15:38:47 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31963 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:27:54 GMT Message-ID: <380C8E4C.9FB59096@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:29:16 -0700 From: Vladimir Gurevich Organization: Cisco Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-CISCOENG [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] CS8900A References: <99101909481600.11226@dax> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hello Mike, Mike Aubury wrote: > How is the driver for the ethernet controller on the UCSimm implemented. > I'm trying to use this device on an Cirrus Logic evaluation board. Linux is > right there, but I cant seem to get the embedded ethernet working. I beleive it > connects in the same way on the board I have as with the UCsimm (ie. not via > EISA/PCI/ISA but direct into the memory map). Any pointers appreciated. What kind of Cirrus Logic Evaluation board do you have? Do you run Linux right on their board? Do you run Linux or uClinux? Cirrus Logic provides the Linux driver for their chip, which you can use with standard Intel-based Linux. uClinux uses a modified version of that driver. Unfortunately, you'll most probably will need to modify the driver to reflect the board schematics. As an example, uCsimm does not use hardware byte swapping, recommended by Cirrus Logic in their documentation and does it in software instead. Of course, you'll need to modify inw/outw and insw/outsw inlines to account for this. As another example, uCsimm uses IRQ5, while my board uses IRQ3. Also, uCsimm uses CSB0 as a chip select signal, while I use CSA1. Without programming pins and the base address correctly the driver won't work. Let me know if you need more info. Regards, Vladimir -- +------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ | | | | | :|: :|: | phone 408-525-9707 Vladimir Gurevich | :|||: :|||: | fax 408-527-1713 Software Engineer | .:|||||||:..:|||||||:. | NUBU/DIAL | CiscoSystems | e-mail vgurevic@cisco.com | | location SJ-7-2 Cube D1-12 | http://www.cisco.com | +------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 19 15:42:11 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32306 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:31:38 GMT Message-ID: <380C9126.70EEA97F@AdvancedRelay.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:41:26 -0700 From: "Mahmut C. Genceli" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ethernet and processor highlight References: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA44E@SRV_COMM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com "Service Développement Materiel SA" wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > - among the wide variety of ethernet controller available and in way of > obsolescence on the market, has anybody heard or read about the SMsC > LAN91c96 (formerly SMC91C96) ? it seems well designed for 68k interfacing, > with 6K ram onboard, 100pqfp ... > > - in conjunction with 68k cpu, we have an idea of porting linux and Rtlinux > on an ARM processor. cirrus logic provide a nice one, with MMU, dram > controller, mpeg3 decoding, 2 uarts, lcd interface (suitable for 1/4 > vga)... > Check this link http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ > any comments ? > > bye, > Jean-Luc > > materiel.sa@horoquartz.fr > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 19 17:20:58 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08232 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:08:38 GMT Message-ID: <27820979A172D3118EC5009027B09FE10237E9@NTEXEC> From: Alex Perry To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:11:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com David Smead wrote: > Cut these guys some slack! I've had a unit on order since > July, but I've > also been designing systems from the early 1960s, and know > how hard it can > be sometimes to get everything working. I'm not complaining about them working on it. I _am_ complaining about (1) A lack of updated timelines so other people can plan stuff (2) A lack of a CD-ROM while I wait for the physical part (3) Not providing an interim downloadable CDROM image I _KNOW_ how hard it is to get things working. I'm in the middle of communications protocol hell for a DSP array on one project, on another I've got a signal path that is below the analog thermal noise floor and kinda hard to test. They keep me entertained while two other projects sit and die. Both of those have hard deadlines beyond which we don't get paid if we haven't provided the deliverables in working condition. Guess what the missing component I need by end October is ... > The best way to do that is bite your > tongue now and then! No. The best way is for them to provide timeline information for risk management so they don't lose all their customers up-front. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 19 18:33:49 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14889 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:22:49 GMT From: Mike Aubury Organization: Aubit Computing Ltd To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] CS8900A Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:25:57 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain References: <380C8E4C.9FB59096@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99101919314400.27579@dax> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com You seem to know your stuff! I've been trying to get Linux ported to an evaluation board EBD7111-2. And basically I've got as far as getting a login on the serial port (Unfortunatly it doesnt recognize the key strokes on the terminal so I can't actually login!). This leaves a couple of alternatives : Fix the serial bit Get the ethernet bit working (Which *should* be fairly easy given that the driver exists). Now - Ive got it to *nearly* work, i've hardcoded the address to be 0xd100,0000V (0x20000000P) on the evalutation board and aside from changing a short to an int that seems to help. The IRQ on the board points to EINT3 (Int 7) and i've hard coded that too but it doesnt seem to like it ("eth0: transmit timeout check IRQ ?") when trying to send packets... On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, you wrote: > Hello Mike, > > Mike Aubury wrote: > > > How is the driver for the ethernet controller on the UCSimm implemented. > > I'm trying to use this device on an Cirrus Logic evaluation board. Linux is > > right there, but I cant seem to get the embedded ethernet working. I beleive it > > connects in the same way on the board I have as with the UCsimm (ie. not via > > EISA/PCI/ISA but direct into the memory map). Any pointers appreciated. > > What kind of Cirrus Logic Evaluation board do you have? Do you run Linux > right on their board? Do you run Linux or uClinux? > > Cirrus Logic provides the Linux driver for their chip, which you can use > with standard Intel-based Linux. > > uClinux uses a modified version of that driver. Unfortunately, you'll > most > probably will need to modify the driver to reflect the board schematics. > As an example, uCsimm does not use hardware byte swapping, recommended > by > Cirrus Logic in their documentation and does it in software instead. > Of course, you'll need to modify inw/outw and insw/outsw inlines to > account > for this. As another example, uCsimm uses IRQ5, while my board uses > IRQ3. > Also, uCsimm uses CSB0 as a chip select signal, while I use CSA1. > Without > programming pins and the base address correctly the driver won't work. > > Let me know if you need more info. > > Regards, > Vladimir > -- > +------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ > | | | | > | :|: :|: | phone 408-525-9707 > Vladimir Gurevich | :|||: :|||: | fax 408-527-1713 > Software Engineer | .:|||||||:..:|||||||:. | > NUBU/DIAL | CiscoSystems | e-mail vgurevic@cisco.com > | | location SJ-7-2 Cube D1-12 > | http://www.cisco.com | > +------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Tue Oct 19 23:52:58 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10688 for ucsimm-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:42:07 GMT Message-ID: <380D015E.652B0FEE@moreton.com.au> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:40:14 +0000 From: Greg Ungerer Organization: Moreton Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ethernet and processor highlight References: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA44E@SRV_COMM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi Jean-Luc, "Service Développement Materiel SA" wrote: > - among the wide variety of ethernet controller available and in way of > obsolescence on the market, has anybody heard or read about the SMsC > LAN91c96 (formerly SMC91C96) ? it seems well designed for 68k interfacing, > with 6K ram onboard, 100pqfp ... We use the LAN91c96 on our uClinux based NETtel boards http://www.moreton.com.au/mbweb/product/nettel/nettel.htm or try http://www.moreton.com.au/mbweb/product/nettel/geek.htm for a closer look at the insides... Interfacing to the Motorola ColdFire was quite strait forward. Seeya Gerg ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Greg Ungerer EMAIL: gerg@moreton.com.au Moreton Bay PHONE: +61 7 3279 1822 Unit 12, 97 Jijaws St, FAX: +61 7 3279 1820 Sumner Park, QLD, 4074, Australia WEB: www.moreton.com.au This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 00:12:32 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12619 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:02:44 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:10:57 -0700 (PDT) From: David Smead To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] CS8900A In-Reply-To: <99101919314400.27579@dax> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Who makes the EBD7111-2? David Smead On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Mike Aubury wrote: > You seem to know your stuff! > > I've been trying to get Linux ported to an evaluation board EBD7111-2. And > basically I've got as far as getting a login on the serial port (Unfortunatly > it doesnt recognize the key strokes on the terminal so I can't actually login!). > > This leaves a couple of alternatives : > Fix the serial bit > Get the ethernet bit working (Which *should* be fairly easy given that > the driver exists). > > > Now - Ive got it to *nearly* work, i've hardcoded the address to be > 0xd100,0000V (0x20000000P) on the evalutation board and aside from changing a > short to an int that seems to help. > > The IRQ on the board points to EINT3 (Int 7) and i've hard coded that > too but it doesnt seem to like it ("eth0: transmit timeout check IRQ ?") when > trying to send packets... > > On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, you wrote: > > Hello Mike, > > > > Mike Aubury wrote: > > > > > How is the driver for the ethernet controller on the UCSimm implemented. > > > I'm trying to use this device on an Cirrus Logic evaluation board. Linux is > > > right there, but I cant seem to get the embedded ethernet working. I beleive it > > > connects in the same way on the board I have as with the UCsimm (ie. not via > > > EISA/PCI/ISA but direct into the memory map). Any pointers appreciated. > > > > What kind of Cirrus Logic Evaluation board do you have? Do you run Linux > > right on their board? Do you run Linux or uClinux? > > > > Cirrus Logic provides the Linux driver for their chip, which you can use > > with standard Intel-based Linux. > > > > uClinux uses a modified version of that driver. Unfortunately, you'll > > most > > probably will need to modify the driver to reflect the board schematics. > > As an example, uCsimm does not use hardware byte swapping, recommended > > by > > Cirrus Logic in their documentation and does it in software instead. > > Of course, you'll need to modify inw/outw and insw/outsw inlines to > > account > > for this. As another example, uCsimm uses IRQ5, while my board uses > > IRQ3. > > Also, uCsimm uses CSB0 as a chip select signal, while I use CSA1. > > Without > > programming pins and the base address correctly the driver won't work. > > > > Let me know if you need more info. > > > > Regards, > > Vladimir > > -- > > +------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ > > | | | | > > | :|: :|: | phone 408-525-9707 > > Vladimir Gurevich | :|||: :|||: | fax 408-527-1713 > > Software Engineer | .:|||||||:..:|||||||:. | > > NUBU/DIAL | CiscoSystems | e-mail vgurevic@cisco.com > > | | location SJ-7-2 Cube D1-12 > > | http://www.cisco.com | > > +------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 04:18:14 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01548 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:07:25 GMT Message-ID: <00b901bf1ab1$15890ca0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> From: "Michael Durrant" To: References: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:10:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > Anxious are we? As anxious to ship as everyone is anxious to receive. I must apologize for not providing more bleeding edge information. Jeff and I have been so busy with getting every thing perfect that we have not had the time to keep everyone up to date on progress. Writing the manual for example took 2 weeks away from production. Without a manual everyone on this list would be at a loss on how to use the uCsimm quickly. Imagine having to read the source code to find out how to use the module. We need to get everything right for everyone's benefit. > Cut these guys some slack! I've had a unit on order since July, but I've > also been designing systems from the early 1960s, and know how hard it can > be sometimes to get everything working. I would like to thank those that did place PRE-ORDERS back in July/Aug. It is with your support that we have been able to ensure that this project carried forward into production. As a startup operation we do not have the same pull with suppliers, manufactures etc. We appreciate that the suppliers and manufacturers have worked with us to get this far this quickly. Our time line was initialy optimistic. Yes our enthusiasm got the better of us! However we did update the list/web page when dates slid from August to early October. ... stuff deleted > Sure, I'm anxious, but at this time they're only about 6 weeks behind > their projection - not bad in the grand scheme of things! I'm sure they > are working hard on the project, and very importantly, I want them to do a > great job, even if it means a delay. Yes we are working hard on this project and we hope not to disappoint. -- Michael Durrant RT-CONTROL Inc. mdurrant@rt-control.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 04:55:23 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04757 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:43:28 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: xenolith@mail.halcyon.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3801CBE8.DA771037@technocean.com> References: <380166E4.7D4E6019@mytoys.com> <3801CBE8.DA771037@technocean.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:43:51 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com From: Kevin Purcell Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Any WinCE slayers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >There's a write-up about WinCE in this month's Circuit Cellar INK >magazine. > >http://www.circuitcellar.com/TOC-frame.htm > >It's in an article entitled "What's in a Name?" > >Hope this gives you some ammo! > >Greg Maki This article was written by a QNX marketing droid. Kinda like asking a Ford marketer to review a Toyata truck. There are also factual errors in the article too. Best sticking to engineering choices rather than OS religion (either from the boss or the developer) -- which one is the best bang per buck (including design time, cost of developers, local experience, drivers provided vs drivers needed). Anyone seen/got measurements of the plain Linux or RTLinux's or BSD's interrupt latency? -- Kevin Purcell mailto:KevinPurcell@PObox.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 05:02:31 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05470 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:51:07 GMT Message-ID: <380D6657.71217891@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:51:03 -0700 From: "Vladimir A. Gurevich" Organization: Cisco Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] CS8900A References: <99101909481600.11226@dax> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hello Mike, I don't know what is EBD7111-2. I couldn't find the docs on Cirrus site. I'll try to help you, but I'll need the docs. From my experience, porting uClinux is a pretty staightforward task and I've already ported it to 2 boards. You mentioned problems with the serial driver. What CPU do you use. If you use Dragonball (68328 or 68EZ328) you'd better get the new serial driver. I can send you the patches. jeff seems to be very busy now and 2.0.38.1 is delayed a little bit. Regards, Vladimir -- +------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ | | | | | :|: :|: | phone 408-525-9707 Vladimir Gurevich | :|||: :|||: | fax 408-527-1713 Software Engineer | .:|||||||:..:|||||||:. | NUBU/DIAL | CiscoSystems | e-mail vgurevic@cisco.com | | location SJ-7-2 Cube D1-12 | http://www.cisco.com | +------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 06:43:07 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14586 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:32:53 GMT Message-ID: <71805EF6C1CBD211BF6D0080C8D35D7F0AA450@SRV_COMM> From: Service Développement Materiel SA To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: RE: [uCsimm] ethernet and processor highlight Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:35:23 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com thanks all for your inputs. Jean-Luc This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 07:05:45 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16546 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:55:11 GMT From: Mike Aubury Organization: Aubit Computing Ltd To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] CS8900A Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:02:21 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain References: <380D6657.71217891@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99102008041301.27579@dax> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com The board itself is not 68***, it ARM based but uses the same ethernet controller as the ucsimm (hence a posting here). Its documentation can be found if you look at the cirrus logic web site, find the 7111 under the products and look for the evalution documentation at the bottom. On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, you wrote: > Hello Mike, > > I don't know what is EBD7111-2. I couldn't find the docs on Cirrus site. > I'll try to help you, but I'll need the docs. From my experience, porting > uClinux is a pretty staightforward task and I've already ported it to > 2 boards. > > You mentioned problems with the serial driver. What CPU do you use. If you > use Dragonball (68328 or 68EZ328) you'd better get the new serial driver. > I can send you the patches. jeff seems to be very busy now and 2.0.38.1 > is delayed a little bit. > > Regards, > Vladimir > -- > +------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ > | | | | > | :|: :|: | phone 408-525-9707 > Vladimir Gurevich | :|||: :|||: | fax 408-527-1713 > Software Engineer | .:|||||||:..:|||||||:. | > NUBU/DIAL | CiscoSystems | e-mail vgurevic@cisco.com > | | location SJ-7-2 Cube D1-12 > | http://www.cisco.com | > +------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 08:53:20 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26064 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:41:50 GMT Message-ID: <19991020084339.57991.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.252.104.195] From: "Mert INCEIPLIK" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: [uCsimm] ARM info... Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:43:38 EEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I read about the CL-PS7111 and EP7211 Development Kits, and they are so cool. But I couldn't find prices and 'howtoget' info. Can someone tell. I wanna try one. Mert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 10:43:10 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02979 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:30:35 GMT From: Glen Harris Message-Id: <199910201020.UAA11113@solwarra.gbrmpa.gov.au> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:20:36 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <00b901bf1ab1$15890ca0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> from "Michael Durrant" at Oct 20, 99 00:10:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com According to Michael Durrant: [deletia] > However we did update the list/web page when dates slid from August to > early October. > > ... stuff deleted > > > Sure, I'm anxious, but at this time they're only about 6 weeks behind > > their projection - not bad in the grand scheme of things! I'm sure they > > are working hard on the project, and very importantly, I want them to do a > > great job, even if it means a delay. > > Yes we are working hard on this project and we hope not to disappoint. [deletia] ....and still there's no date, or even a vague hint. glen. This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 12:04:56 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10197 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:51:47 GMT From: Mike Aubury Organization: Aubit Computing Ltd To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ARM info... Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:59:07 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain References: <19991020084339.57991.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99102013005100.06044@dax> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I got mine from ambar in the UK, they quoted about £700 (ukp) for the 7111 and £800 for the 7211. But I still cant get the ethernet on it working ! (But they would be way cool when anyone get Linux running on them!) On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, you wrote: > I read about the CL-PS7111 and EP7211 Development Kits, and they are so > cool. But I couldn't find prices and 'howtoget' info. Can someone tell. I > wanna try one. > > Mert > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 13:07:48 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16064 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:58:35 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991020091619.00925ad0@mail.fnol.net> X-Sender: kerryp@mail.fnol.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:16:19 -0400 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com From: "Kerry W. Podolsky" Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers In-Reply-To: <00b901bf1ab1$15890ca0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Internet2/AlarmNet/Pittway(Release 5.0.1b|September 30, 1999) at 10/20/99 09:00:50 AM, Serialize by Router on Internet2/AlarmNet/Pittway(Release 5.0.1b|September 30, 1999) at 10/20/99 09:00:52 AM, Serialize complete at 10/20/99 09:00:52 AM X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Thank you, Michael, for the update. EXCEPT.... You didn't give us any dates (guesstimate?), OR a timeline. :-( As for the manual... I'm assuming that it isn't on the CDROM. We, REALLY, all appreciate what it takes to develop a project of this type. So, just give us a pessimistic date, we can all live with. :-) Kerry At 12:10 AM 10/20/99 -0400, you wrote: >> Anxious are we? > >As anxious to ship as everyone is anxious to receive. I must apologize >for not providing more bleeding edge information. Jeff and I have been >so busy with getting every thing perfect that we have not had the time >to keep everyone up to date on progress. Writing the manual for example >took 2 weeks away from production. Without a manual everyone on this >list would be at a loss on how to use the uCsimm quickly. Imagine >having to read the source code to find out how to use the module. We >need to get everything right for everyone's benefit. > >> Cut these guys some slack! I've had a unit on order since July, but I've >> also been designing systems from the early 1960s, and know how hard it can >> be sometimes to get everything working. > >I would like to thank those that did place PRE-ORDERS back in July/Aug. >It is with your support that we have been able to ensure that this project >carried forward into production. As a startup operation we do not have the >same pull with suppliers, manufactures etc. We appreciate that the >suppliers >and manufacturers have worked with us to get this far this quickly. > >Our time line was initialy optimistic. Yes our enthusiasm got the better of >us! >However we did update the list/web page when dates slid from August to >early October. > >... stuff deleted > >> Sure, I'm anxious, but at this time they're only about 6 weeks behind >> their projection - not bad in the grand scheme of things! I'm sure they >> are working hard on the project, and very importantly, I want them to do a >> great job, even if it means a delay. > >Yes we are working hard on this project and we hope not to disappoint. > >-- >Michael Durrant >RT-CONTROL Inc. >mdurrant@rt-control.com > > > > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > > Kerry EMAIL: kerryp@fnol.net IM: KerryP737 ICQ: 39133163 This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 14:34:21 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23494 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:22:11 GMT Message-ID: <19991020142348.773.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.252.104.195] From: "Mert INCEIPLIK" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ARM info... Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:23:48 EEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Whew! £700 is very expensive. I remember times when Motorola sent EBD68hc11 for free (they'r'bout $90-$100 nowadays). OK, I don't want Cirrus to sent me a whole EBD for free but its way too expensive! Anyway thanks for the info, Mike... Anyone else ?.. Mert, >From: Mike Aubury >Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ARM info... >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:59:07 +0000 > >I got mine from ambar in the UK, they quoted about £700 (ukp) for the 7111 >and >£800 for the 7211. > >But I still cant get the ethernet on it working ! > >(But they would be way cool when anyone get Linux running on them!) > > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, you wrote: > > I read about the CL-PS7111 and EP7211 Development Kits, and they are so > > cool. But I couldn't find prices and 'howtoget' info. Can someone tell. >I > > wanna try one. > > > > Mert > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server >http://www.uClinux.com/ >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server >http://www.uClinux.com/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 14:34:48 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23637 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:23:53 GMT Message-ID: <19991020142509.47576.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.252.104.195] From: "Mert INCEIPLIK" To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ARM info... Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:25:07 EEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Whew! £700 is very expensive. I remember times when Motorola sent EBD68hc11 for free (they'r'bout $90-$100 nowadays). OK, I don't want Cirrus to sent me a whole EBD for free but its way too expensive! Anyway thanks for the info, Mike... Anyone else ?.. PS: 6811 was an example. Don't even think I'm comparing it with an ARM. Mert >From: Mike Aubury >Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >To: ucsimm@uClinux.com >Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ARM info... >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:59:07 +0000 > >I got mine from ambar in the UK, they quoted about £700 (ukp) for the 7111 >and >£800 for the 7211. > >But I still cant get the ethernet on it working ! > >(But they would be way cool when anyone get Linux running on them!) > > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, you wrote: > > I read about the CL-PS7111 and EP7211 Development Kits, and they are so > > cool. But I couldn't find prices and 'howtoget' info. Can someone tell. >I > > wanna try one. > > > > Mert > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server >http://www.uClinux.com/ >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server >http://www.uClinux.com/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 16:08:57 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32012 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:57:29 GMT Message-ID: <380DE6F5.EE3D1C6E@mytoys.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:59:49 -0400 From: Tom Walsh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com CC: orderdesk@www.uclinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers References: <00b901bf1ab1$15890ca0$6401a8c0@sac.ryerson.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Michael, Let me explain it from my position. Obviously there has been a miscommunication from the mission of your website and what I (we) may have expected. I am an embedded engineer, have been tinkering with this stuff for 22+ years. When I saw, then ordered, the uCsimm kit, I thought I was purchasing a platform in which to hack some ideas out on. I was not, and did not, expect a polished product, I expected that with the obviously wide amount of interest that this project generated that if we got just the hardware, we could hack our way into making something polished. It is becoming more apparent that you are attempting to make a product. I would be just as satisfied in an evaluation kit and tacking on an ethernet controller. Actually, I have seriously considered cancelling my order for serveral reasons: 1) there has been no reply to my direct email inquiring as to delivery date, nor has anyone responded my message on your answering machine. 2) It is obvious you see commercial value beyound that of immediate technology benefits your firm will gain in this. 3) I am concerned that if I purchase the uCsimm and then design a 68K based system that incorportate Linux into it that there may be some problems, copyright or otherwise. Now, it is apparent that many others on this list have little more interest in banging bits between registers, prop delays, etc, they just want a module. I want a hardware platform in which to learn the 68K as well as interfacing to the ethernet controller, as well as running Linux inside a confined system. It concerns me, as a designer, that you are locking out the talent available out here on the web in order to do it all inhouse. This leaves me with the sense that this is not just an intellectual toy, but also one with rights / royalties which as a designer it would be in my best interest not even to see the design! Without a dialogue, of any kind coming from you or your company and the important questions that this raises, I wish to cancel my order for the uCsimm. I will put the money into an Eval Board of some type, I have the time to hack code, I am not willing to silently stand by for a peice of hardware that I could design & layout myself (albiet a couple revs maybe). My order # is USFW24420199, sorry to have inconvienced you, you may contact me by telphone to confirm the cancellation. Regards, Tom Walsh Michael Durrant wrote: > > Anxious are we? > > As anxious to ship as everyone is anxious to receive. I must apologize > for not providing more bleeding edge information. Jeff and I have been > so busy with getting every thing perfect that we have not had the time > to keep everyone up to date on progress. Writing the manual for example > took 2 weeks away from production. Without a manual everyone on this > list would be at a loss on how to use the uCsimm quickly. Imagine > having to read the source code to find out how to use the module. We > need to get everything right for everyone's benefit. > > > Cut these guys some slack! I've had a unit on order since July, but I've > > also been designing systems from the early 1960s, and know how hard it can > > be sometimes to get everything working. > > I would like to thank those that did place PRE-ORDERS back in July/Aug. > It is with your support that we have been able to ensure that this project > carried forward into production. As a startup operation we do not have the > same pull with suppliers, manufactures etc. We appreciate that the > suppliers > and manufacturers have worked with us to get this far this quickly. > > Our time line was initialy optimistic. Yes our enthusiasm got the better of > us! > However we did update the list/web page when dates slid from August to > early October. > > ... stuff deleted > > > Sure, I'm anxious, but at this time they're only about 6 weeks behind > > their projection - not bad in the grand scheme of things! I'm sure they > > are working hard on the project, and very importantly, I want them to do a > > great job, even if it means a delay. > > Yes we are working hard on this project and we hope not to disappoint. > > -- > Michael Durrant > RT-CONTROL Inc. > mdurrant@rt-control.com > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 17:18:07 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05650 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:07:25 GMT Message-ID: <01BF1B2E.A2646FC0@smithwicks.softsys.co.at> From: Erwin Authried To: "'ucsimm@uClinux.com'" Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ARM info... Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:09:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BF1B2E.A26D9780" Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BF1B2E.A26D9780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Atmel sells their ARM evaluation board for less then USD 200. I couldn't resist to buy one. However, it has a ARM7TDMI cpu, without = MMU.=20 I'm wondering if anyone has thought about porting Linux to this CPU. I have seen several other manufacturers with ARM7TDMI/ARM7DI based uCs (Samsung's KS17C4000, Sharp LH77790). -Erwin Mert INCEIPLIK[SMTP:mertince@hotmail.com] wrote: > Whew! =A3700 is very expensive. I remember times when Motorola sent = > EBD68hc11 for free (they'r'bout $90-$100 nowadays). OK, I don't want = Cirrus=20 > to sent me a whole EBD for free but its way too expensive! > Anyway thanks for the info, Mike... Anyone else ?.. >=20 > PS: 6811 was an example. Don't even think I'm comparing it with > an ARM. >=20 > Mert >=20 > >From: Mike Aubury > >Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > >To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > >Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ARM info... > >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:59:07 +0000 > > > >I got mine from ambar in the UK, they quoted about =A3700 (ukp) for = the 7111=20 > >and > >=A3800 for the 7211. > > > >But I still cant get the ethernet on it working ! > > > >(But they would be way cool when anyone get Linux running on them!) > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, you wrote: > > > I read about the CL-PS7111 and EP7211 Development Kits, and they = are so > > > cool. But I couldn't find prices and 'howtoget' info. 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I would > be just as satisfied in an evaluation kit and tacking on an ethernet controller. > Now, it is apparent that many others on this list have little more interest in > banging bits between registers, prop delays, etc, they just want a module. I want a > hardware platform in which to learn the 68K as well as interfacing to the ethernet > controller, as well as running Linux inside a confined system. It doesn't seem like this type of design would be even remotely difficult for someone with experience in developing embedded systems. A small group of people, in the GNU spirit, could collaborate to make a similar system as the uCsimm. I say those among us who have the necessary skils develop a new, more open type project--the GNuCsimm. It would be based on similar hardware is the uCsimm, only the design and API would be available free of charge on the web. If you want to have one made for you, then you can pay. This is similar to how most companies do it... evaluation board schematics are freely available (see Motorola, Cirrus, TINI) but you have to pay if you want the assembled product. The advantage to this would be that the goal of the GNuCsimm is not sales, but a learning tool instead. A small system like this seems perfect for learning how to develop with 68k and ethernet. The GNuCsimm would be much simpler than starting off with a complicated EV board from a vendor, and might be cheaper (those EV boards seem pretty costly). Those are the qualities that attracted most people to the uCsimm in the first place. -Will This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 19:59:29 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20710 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:49:50 GMT From: Mike Aubury Organization: Aubit Computing Ltd To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ARM info... Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:56:23 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain References: <19991020142509.47576.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99102020585001.06044@dax> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Remember though, for your dosh you get : Full keyboard, Backlit LCD 640x240 Ethernet (If I can ever get it to work!) PCMCIA slot (Ditto) Codec (And again) IR (Havent tried yet!) 16Mb DRAM 16Mb Flash and a few other bits. I know that ARM do an AEB-1 board for about the $100 mark, but that is very basic .. On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, you wrote: > Whew! £700 is very expensive. I remember times when Motorola sent > EBD68hc11 for free (they'r'bout $90-$100 nowadays). OK, I don't want Cirrus > to sent me a whole EBD for free but its way too expensive! > Anyway thanks for the info, Mike... Anyone else ?.. > > PS: 6811 was an example. Don't even think I'm comparing it with > an ARM. > > Mert > > >From: Mike Aubury > >Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > >To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > >Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ARM info... > >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:59:07 +0000 > > > >I got mine from ambar in the UK, they quoted about £700 (ukp) for the 7111 > >and > >£800 for the 7211. > > > >But I still cant get the ethernet on it working ! > > > >(But they would be way cool when anyone get Linux running on them!) > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, you wrote: > > > I read about the CL-PS7111 and EP7211 Development Kits, and they are so > > > cool. But I couldn't find prices and 'howtoget' info. Can someone tell. > >I > > > wanna try one. > > > > > > Mert > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > >http://www.uClinux.com/ > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > >http://www.uClinux.com/ > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 20:13:32 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21944 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:03:12 GMT Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991020125752.00c94230@mail1.dcomm.net> X-Sender: terrye@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:58:36 -0700 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com From: Terry Ewing Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ARM info... In-Reply-To: <01BF1B2E.A2646FC0@smithwicks.softsys.co.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ampr.rt-control.com id UAA21933 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com What does it have in the way of onboard I/O? Any rs-232? At 07:09 PM 10/20/99 +0200, you wrote: >Atmel sells their ARM evaluation board for less then USD 200. >I couldn't resist to buy one. However, it has a ARM7TDMI cpu, without MMU. >I'm wondering if anyone has thought about porting Linux to this >CPU. I have seen several other manufacturers with ARM7TDMI/ARM7DI >based uCs (Samsung's KS17C4000, Sharp LH77790). > >-Erwin > >Mert INCEIPLIK[SMTP:mertince@hotmail.com] wrote: > > Whew! £700 is very expensive. I remember times when Motorola sent > > EBD68hc11 for free (they'r'bout $90-$100 nowadays). OK, I don't want > Cirrus > > to sent me a whole EBD for free but its way too expensive! > > Anyway thanks for the info, Mike... Anyone else ?.. > > > > PS: 6811 was an example. Don't even think I'm comparing it with > > an ARM. > > > > Mert > > > > >From: Mike Aubury > > >Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > >To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > >Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ARM info... > > >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:59:07 +0000 > > > > > >I got mine from ambar in the UK, they quoted about £700 (ukp) for the > 7111 > > >and > > >£800 for the 7211. > > > > > >But I still cant get the ethernet on it working ! > > > > > >(But they would be way cool when anyone get Linux running on them!) > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, you wrote: > > > > I read about the CL-PS7111 and EP7211 Development Kits, and they are so > > > > cool. But I couldn't find prices and 'howtoget' info. Can someone > tell. > > >I > > > > wanna try one. > > > > > > > > Mert > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 22:29:17 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01754 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:19:53 GMT From: ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov Message-ID: <19991020222214.12056.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:22:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <002a01bf1b30$50e924e0$0800005a@bellsouth.net> from "Will" at Oct 20, 99 03:21:29 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Will - > It doesn't seem like this type of design would be even remotely difficult > for someone with experience in developing embedded systems. A small group > of people, in the GNU spirit, could collaborate to make a similar system as > the uCsimm. I say those among us who have the necessary skils develop a > new, more open type project--the GNuCsimm. It would be based on similar > hardware is the uCsimm, only the design and API would be available free of > charge on the web. If you want to have one made for you, then you can pay. > This is similar to how most companies do it... evaluation board schematics > are freely available (see Motorola, Cirrus, TINI) but you have to pay if you > want the assembled product. The advantage to this would be that the goal of > the GNuCsimm is not sales, but a learning tool instead. A small system like > this seems perfect for learning how to develop with 68k and ethernet. The > GNuCsimm would be much simpler than starting off with a complicated EV board > from a vendor, and might be cheaper (those EV boards seem pretty costly). > Those are the qualities that attracted most people to the uCsimm in the > first place. Sounds good. I recommend you limit yourself to processor chips that have a well defined emergency boot mode, like the Dragonball and the EP7x11. With a GNU-ish do-it-yourself project, it's essential to have the board be its own programmer. Hell, if it's low enough power and battery-backed-up, you could dispense with Flash! - Larry Doolittle This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 22:38:32 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02671 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:29:58 GMT Message-ID: <380E41E6.6ABE11AF@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:27:50 -0400 From: Tom Schaefer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ARM info... References: <19991020142509.47576.qmail@hotmail.com> <99102020585001.06044@dax> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Please advise a URL for this: Mike Aubury wrote: > Remember though, for your dosh you get : > Full keyboard, > Backlit LCD 640x240 > Ethernet (If I can ever get it to work!) > PCMCIA slot (Ditto) > Codec (And again) > IR (Havent tried yet!) > 16Mb DRAM > 16Mb Flash > and a few other bits. > > I know that ARM do an AEB-1 board for about the $100 mark, but that is very > basic > > . This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Wed Oct 20 23:29:28 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07373 for ucsimm-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:21:03 GMT Message-ID: <003901bf1b53$1c65c390$02200b93@wrs.com> From: "Daniel Poirot" To: References: <19991020142509.47576.qmail@hotmail.com> <99102020585001.06044@dax> Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ARM info... Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:30:21 -0500 Organization: WindRiver Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com How about the DisplayStart from ADS? From: http://www.flatpanels.com/dispstrt.html ... Selected Features Optimized Single board computer hardware ARM7DI RISC processor has integrated video controller on chip Supports various flat panel displays Ethernet, Serial, and Parallel I/O Comprehensive Software Environment ADS Graphic Drawing Kernel library for C language Pre-integrated kernel, RTOS, and C runtime system under 75 kilobytes Touch-screen input support Dimensions are 6.8 x 5.9 x 1.0 inches Interfaces to a 8-bit microprocessor bus Power requirement: +12 Volts or 5 Volts ... - dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Aubury To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ARM info... > Remember though, for your dosh you get : > Full keyboard, > Backlit LCD 640x240 > Ethernet (If I can ever get it to work!) > PCMCIA slot (Ditto) > Codec (And again) > IR (Havent tried yet!) > 16Mb DRAM > 16Mb Flash > and a few other bits. > > I know that ARM do an AEB-1 board for about the $100 mark, but that is very > basic > > .. On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, you wrote: > > Whew! £700 is very expensive. I remember times when Motorola sent > > EBD68hc11 for free (they'r'bout $90-$100 nowadays). OK, I don't want Cirrus > > to sent me a whole EBD for free but its way too expensive! > > Anyway thanks for the info, Mike... Anyone else ?.. > > > > PS: 6811 was an example. Don't even think I'm comparing it with > > an ARM. > > > > Mert > > > > >From: Mike Aubury > > >Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > >To: ucsimm@uClinux.com > > >Subject: Re: [uCsimm] ARM info... > > >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:59:07 +0000 > > > > > >I got mine from ambar in the UK, they quoted about £700 (ukp) for the 7111 > > >and > > >£800 for the 7211. > > > > > >But I still cant get the ethernet on it working ! > > > > > >(But they would be way cool when anyone get Linux running on them!) > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, you wrote: > > > > I read about the CL-PS7111 and EP7211 Development Kits, and they are so > > > > cool. But I couldn't find prices and 'howtoget' info. Can someone tell. > > >I > > > > wanna try one. > > > > > > > > Mert > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > >http://www.uClinux.com/ > > >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server > > >http://www.uClinux.com/ > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 21 01:00:30 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15734 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:50:13 GMT Message-ID: <380E63CA.838F7150@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:52:26 -0700 From: Vladimir Gurevich Organization: Cisco Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-CISCOENG [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] CS8900A References: <380C8E4C.9FB59096@cisco.com> <99101919314400.27579@dax> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hello Mike, I got the schematics and looked at it. It is a little bit different from the one we use, but is pretty reasonable. I am not familiar with ARM, so I can give you only a couple suggestions. Mike Aubury wrote: > Now - Ive got it to *nearly* work, i've hardcoded the address to be > 0xd100,0000V (0x20000000P) on the evalutation board and aside from changing a > short to an int that seems to help. This is correct. Since they use CS2 as a chip select and 0x20000000 is its base address. You might notice that they already hardcoded 0x300, thus you can really use 0x20000000 as a base address, otherwise you' better use 0x20000300. > The IRQ on the board points to EINT3 (Int 7) and i've hard coded that > too but it doesnt seem to like it ("eth0: transmit timeout check IRQ ?") when > trying to send packets... You have to make sure that this pin is really enabled and configured correctly. What you might do is write a simple user-level program that talks to the chip in polling mode to see that everything else is correct. Also, check for the endianess issues. They gave me some troubles. Regards, Vladimir -- +------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ | | | | | :|: :|: | phone 408-525-9707 Vladimir Gurevich | :|||: :|||: | fax 408-527-1713 Software Engineer | .:|||||||:..:|||||||:. | NUBU/DIAL | CiscoSystems | e-mail vgurevic@cisco.com | | location SJ-7-2 Cube D1-12 | http://www.cisco.com | +------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 21 02:15:40 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22614 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 02:06:25 GMT Message-ID: <380E786A.84626F39@gbrmpa.gov.au> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:20:26 +1000 From: Glen Harris Organization: GBRMPA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.6 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers References: <19991020222214.12056.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com I proposed a project along these lines a month or so ago, using the 72 pin SIMM footprint. I was off the net for a while for family reasons, but I'm back now. I have a basic idea of what I'd like on it, and I'd like others to give me their ideas. If you would like to discuss this, send me an email, and I'll create a mailing list for the discussion. At the time I had only a few takers. Hopefully now we'll have more interest. NOTE: THIS IS NOT IN COMPETITION WITH THE UCSIMM. IT FILLS A DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT AND HAS DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS. My wish list is: 72 pins: 8data, 19address, 6CS, 2R/~W, 6IRQ, 7QSPI, 16TPU, 2RS232, 4ethernet MC68332 processor (Motorola) 2x 29F800 FLASH 512kKx16 (Samsung) 2x KM616800 SRAM 512K/16 (AMD/Fujitsu/etc) CS8900A ethernet (Crystal Semi) 4 channel 10 bit SPI ADC (Maxim) 2 channel 8 bit SPI DAC (Maxim) RTC - optional, maybe internal? Since the 68332 can only address 1Mb of memory per CS, we have space problems with the number of RAM chips necessary to make a workable standalone system. With 2Mb of each SRAM/FLASH, I think that leaves 1.8Mb SRAM free after boot and 1.5Mb for a filesystem. Any more can be added off-board. Cheers, glen. ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov wrote: > > Will - > > > It doesn't seem like this type of design would be even remotely difficult > > for someone with experience in developing embedded systems. A small group > > of people, in the GNU spirit, could collaborate to make a similar system as > > the uCsimm. I say those among us who have the necessary skils develop a > > new, more open type project--the GNuCsimm. It would be based on similar > > hardware is the uCsimm, only the design and API would be available free of > > charge on the web. If you want to have one made for you, then you can pay. > > This is similar to how most companies do it... evaluation board schematics > > are freely available (see Motorola, Cirrus, TINI) but you have to pay if you > > want the assembled product. The advantage to this would be that the goal of > > the GNuCsimm is not sales, but a learning tool instead. A small system like > > this seems perfect for learning how to develop with 68k and ethernet. The > > GNuCsimm would be much simpler than starting off with a complicated EV board > > from a vendor, and might be cheaper (those EV boards seem pretty costly). > > Those are the qualities that attracted most people to the uCsimm in the > > first place. > > Sounds good. I recommend you limit yourself to processor chips that > have a well defined emergency boot mode, like the Dragonball and > the EP7x11. With a GNU-ish do-it-yourself project, it's essential > to have the board be its own programmer. Hell, if it's low enough > power and battery-backed-up, you could dispense with Flash! > > - Larry Doolittle > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 21 02:25:43 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23390 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 02:14:58 GMT Message-ID: <001d01bf1b6a$4c062e20$5d9ab8a1@p2350nt> From: "Sam Saprunoff" To: References: <380C8E4C.9FB59096@cisco.com> <99101919314400.27579@dax> <380E63CA.838F7150@cisco.com> Subject: [uCsimm] CS8900A Ethernet Chip on Allocation Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:16:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hello everyone! I just got word today that the Crystal CS8900A Ethernet chip is severely backordered and is on a Allocation Moratorium... My supplier said that he has 180,000 on back order, and only expects 75% of those orders to be filled over the next 6 months... I suspect that this may have an impact on the availability of future uCsimm and other ethernet systems... I thought that this info may be of interest to everyone. Cheers, Sam Sam Saprunoff sams2@telusplanet.net This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 21 05:09:04 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06112 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 05:01:22 GMT Message-ID: <003601bf1b81$ac1dd2b0$0248c6c0@tainan> From: "Chin H. Wu" To: Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:03:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Hi, I return your last mail but get no response after. Now I know where my e-mail went. Anyway, I am still interested. I look at your BOM and I think you might have problem even to fit those on the board. Let's talk more if that mailing list got set up. -----Original Message----- From: Glen Harris To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers > > I proposed a project along these lines a month or so ago, using the 72 >pin SIMM footprint. I was off the net for a while for family reasons, >but >I'm back now. I have a basic idea of what I'd like on it, and I'd like >others to give me their ideas. If you would like to discuss this, send >me >an email, and I'll create a mailing list for the discussion. At the >time >I had only a few takers. Hopefully now we'll have more interest. > > NOTE: THIS IS NOT IN COMPETITION WITH THE UCSIMM. IT FILLS A >DIFFERENT >REQUIREMENT AND HAS DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS. > > My wish list is: > >72 pins: 8data, 19address, 6CS, 2R/~W, 6IRQ, 7QSPI, 16TPU, 2RS232, >4ethernet >MC68332 processor (Motorola) >2x 29F800 FLASH 512kKx16 (Samsung) >2x KM616800 SRAM 512K/16 (AMD/Fujitsu/etc) >CS8900A ethernet (Crystal Semi) >4 channel 10 bit SPI ADC (Maxim) >2 channel 8 bit SPI DAC (Maxim) >RTC - optional, maybe internal? > > Since the 68332 can only address 1Mb of memory per CS, we have space >problems with the number of RAM chips necessary to make a workable >standalone system. With 2Mb of each SRAM/FLASH, I think that leaves >1.8Mb SRAM free after boot and 1.5Mb for a filesystem. Any more can >be added off-board. > >Cheers, glen. > >ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov wrote: >> >> Will - >> >> > It doesn't seem like this type of design would be even remotely difficult >> > for someone with experience in developing embedded systems. A small group >> > of people, in the GNU spirit, could collaborate to make a similar system as >> > the uCsimm. I say those among us who have the necessary skils develop a >> > new, more open type project--the GNuCsimm. It would be based on similar >> > hardware is the uCsimm, only the design and API would be available free of >> > charge on the web. If you want to have one made for you, then you can pay. >> > This is similar to how most companies do it... evaluation board schematics >> > are freely available (see Motorola, Cirrus, TINI) but you have to pay if you >> > want the assembled product. The advantage to this would be that the goal of >> > the GNuCsimm is not sales, but a learning tool instead. A small system like >> > this seems perfect for learning how to develop with 68k and ethernet. The >> > GNuCsimm would be much simpler than starting off with a complicated EV board >> > from a vendor, and might be cheaper (those EV boards seem pretty costly). >> > Those are the qualities that attracted most people to the uCsimm in the >> > first place. >> >> Sounds good. I recommend you limit yourself to processor chips that >> have a well defined emergency boot mode, like the Dragonball and >> the EP7x11. With a GNU-ish do-it-yourself project, it's essential >> to have the board be its own programmer. Hell, if it's low enough >> power and battery-backed-up, you could dispense with Flash! >> >> - Larry Doolittle >> This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ >This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 21 05:58:06 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10595 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 05:49:54 GMT Message-ID: <380EAA52.8F3DF976@btr-auto.aust.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:53:22 +1000 From: "Stuart Warren" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers References: <19991020222214.12056.qmail@recycle.lbl.gov> <380E786A.84626F39@gbrmpa.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com X-Return-Path: SWarren@btr-auto.aust.com Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Count me in. I'd be interested in helping out with the prototype hardware and can help out with having some boards made up (unfortunately I'm limited to double sided boards though). CAN would be nice for me. RTC + option for non-volatile SRAM would be a definite plus. Are the ADC/DAC I/O included in the 72 pin SIMM? Regards, Stuart Warren Glen Harris wrote: > > I proposed a project along these lines a month or so ago, using the 72 > pin SIMM footprint. I was off the net for a while for family reasons, > but > I'm back now. I have a basic idea of what I'd like on it, and I'd like > others to give me their ideas. If you would like to discuss this, send > me > an email, and I'll create a mailing list for the discussion. At the > time > I had only a few takers. Hopefully now we'll have more interest. > > NOTE: THIS IS NOT IN COMPETITION WITH THE UCSIMM. IT FILLS A > DIFFERENT > REQUIREMENT AND HAS DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS. > > My wish list is: > > 72 pins: 8data, 19address, 6CS, 2R/~W, 6IRQ, 7QSPI, 16TPU, 2RS232, > 4ethernet > MC68332 processor (Motorola) > 2x 29F800 FLASH 512kKx16 (Samsung) > 2x KM616800 SRAM 512K/16 (AMD/Fujitsu/etc) > CS8900A ethernet (Crystal Semi) > 4 channel 10 bit SPI ADC (Maxim) > 2 channel 8 bit SPI DAC (Maxim) > RTC - optional, maybe internal? > > Since the 68332 can only address 1Mb of memory per CS, we have space > problems with the number of RAM chips necessary to make a workable > standalone system. With 2Mb of each SRAM/FLASH, I think that leaves > 1.8Mb SRAM free after boot and 1.5Mb for a filesystem. Any more can > be added off-board. > > Cheers, glen. > > ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov wrote: > > > > Will - > > > > > It doesn't seem like this type of design would be even remotely difficult > > > for someone with experience in developing embedded systems. A small group > > > of people, in the GNU spirit, could collaborate to make a similar system as > > > the uCsimm. I say those among us who have the necessary skils develop a > > > new, more open type project--the GNuCsimm. It would be based on similar > > > hardware is the uCsimm, only the design and API would be available free of > > > charge on the web. If you want to have one made for you, then you can pay. > > > This is similar to how most companies do it... evaluation board schematics > > > are freely available (see Motorola, Cirrus, TINI) but you have to pay if you > > > want the assembled product. The advantage to this would be that the goal of > > > the GNuCsimm is not sales, but a learning tool instead. A small system like > > > this seems perfect for learning how to develop with 68k and ethernet. The > > > GNuCsimm would be much simpler than starting off with a complicated EV board > > > from a vendor, and might be cheaper (those EV boards seem pretty costly). > > > Those are the qualities that attracted most people to the uCsimm in the > > > first place. > > > > Sounds good. I recommend you limit yourself to processor chips that > > have a well defined emergency boot mode, like the Dragonball and > > the EP7x11. With a GNU-ish do-it-yourself project, it's essential > > to have the board be its own programmer. Hell, if it's low enough > > power and battery-backed-up, you could dispense with Flash! > > > > - Larry Doolittle > > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ > This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ This message resent by the ucsimm@uclinux.com list server http://www.uClinux.com/ From owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Thu Oct 21 06:05:53 1999 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by ampr.rt-control.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11329 for ucsimm-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 05:57:58 GMT Message-ID: <002a01bf1b89$5f3b8930$5d9ab8a1@p2350nt> From: "Sam Saprunoff" To: Subject: 68332 uCsimm...was [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:58:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01BF1B57.13CCD940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ucsimm@uClinux.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ucsimm@uClinux.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BF1B57.13CCD940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Glen, I noticed your posting on the uCsimm list and I have a few comments... I have this basic design working (except ADC and DAC, single flash = 512Kx8 and SRAM 128Kx8), but not in a simm format (2 layer PCB). To = compress this into a 72p simm would require a 6 layer board (maybe 4 if = one is lucky)... which translates into some large upfront initial = expenses... 6 layer PCB in proto quantities is about $2-3K CAN with test = (if I remember correctly). Further, flash and the CS8900A devices are = all on allocation and are extremely hard to get. Cheers, Sam Sam Saprunoff sams2@telusplanet.net -----Original Message----- From: Glen Harris To: ucsimm@uClinux.com Date: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [uCsimm] Some Questions and Answers > > I proposed a project along these lines a month or so ago, using the = 72 >pin SIMM footprint. I was off the net for a while for family reasons, >but >I'm back now. I have a basic idea of what I'd like on it, and I'd like >others to give me their ideas. If you would like to discuss this, send >me >an email, and I'll create a mailing list for the discussion. At the >time >I had only a few takers. Hopefully now we'll have more interest. > > NOTE: THIS IS NOT IN COMPETITION WITH THE UCSIMM. IT FILLS A >DIFFERENT >REQUIREMENT AND HAS DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS. > > My wish list is: > >72 pins: 8data, 19address, 6CS, 2R/~W, 6IRQ, 7QSPI, 16TPU, 2RS232, >4ethernet >MC68332 processor (Motorola) >2x 29F800 FLASH 512kKx16 (Samsung) >2x KM616800 SRAM 512K/16 (AMD/Fujitsu/etc) >CS8900A ethernet (Crystal Semi) >4 channel 10 bit SPI ADC (Maxim) >2 channel 8 bit SPI DAC (Maxim) >RTC - optional, maybe internal? > > Since the 68332 can only address 1Mb of memory per CS, we have space >problems with the number of RAM chips necessary to make a workable >standalone system. With 2Mb of each SRAM/FLASH, I think that leaves >1.8Mb SRAM free after boot and 1.5Mb for a filesystem. Any more can >be added off-board. > >Cheers, glen. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BF1B57.13CCD940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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